Originally Posted by SmallBowl
Gorman, what evidence are you going on?
A 50% increase in reports is a very significant amount, the probability of that occurring primarily due to priming is almost nil. You must know that youre not dumb, do you have to be deliberately dense in every discussion? - looks like youve trolled him off the board and ended another discussion thread.
50% increase in what exactly? The source Smaguris linked is BBC, and their information is sourced from a facebook group(open the link and go look at the bottom of the "study"). Last I checked, facebook groups weren't credible institutions. It's nothing more than propaganda. It is not a representative sample of anything.
Gorman on the other hand is supported by the evidence I linked earlier, here
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...6/hosb0515.pdf
Whether or not you trust the government more than you trust a facebook group is up to you.
Hoss.
Originally Posted by Hyde
If you're looking for the source of those statements, Gorman linked it earlier
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...6/hosb0515.pdf
Hyde can you leave this already. You're really making a fool out of yourself since you can't even distinct who said what.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
If you check official gov.uk report you can see...
Originally Posted by Hyde
Gorman on the other hand is supported by the evidence I linked earlier, here
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...6/hosb0515.pdf
No, he is not supported by this source because "The Metropolitan police said they received 599 allegations between Friday 24 June, the day the result was revealed, and Saturday 2 July.
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Met commissioner, said that the vote had allegedly been “directly referenced or alluded to” in 23 incidents.
The force said it had received eight allegations that Polish or other European communities had been targeted.
The Met, which is Britain’s largest force, usually averages between 20 and 50 reports of hate crime a day. On Sunday 26 June it received 62 reports and the following Tuesday it had 64." (source)
Now if Met commissioner's voice followed by recorded statistics is not a credible source for you then I don't know what is.
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Also I've just noticed how I'm coming back to this although I honestly tried to distance myself from this discussion as much as possible. I guess I'll stay until I completely lose hope in humanity.
Also Gorman please answer few questions for me since you never actually directly answered those:
1) How do you explain the videos/pictures where British attackers clearly state things like "Britain is not in the EU anymore because Brexit, so get the fuck out of my country"
2) How do you explain thousands of articles about the same matter even from most highly valued news sources like BBC that support my claims? Is that anti-Brtisih propaganda? If not then I'd be happy to hear your explanation.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl
Youre saying theres going to be a 50% increase in reports without an increase in what is being reported? You know thats bullshit why even bother?
That's a helluva assumption mate.
Number of reports and number of incidents are loosely related, and number of reports and number of convictions even less so.
Until MET release actual numbers, there is no way to know if there actually is an increase in hate crime etc or if it is just a spike in number of reports.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
No, he is not supported by this source because "The Metropolitan police said they received 599 allegations between Friday 24 June, the day the result was revealed, and Saturday 2 July.
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Met commissioner, said that the vote had allegedly been “directly referenced or alluded to” in 23 incidents.
The force said it had received eight allegations that Polish or other European communities had been targeted.
The Met, which is Britain’s largest force, usually averages between 20 and 50 reports of hate crime a day. On Sunday 26 June it received 62 reports and the following Tuesday it had 64." (source)
Now if Met commissioner's voice followed by recorded statistics is not a credible source for you then I don't know what is.
The source of that quote is not the MET commissioner, it's the Guardian. If you look at the article you will see they don't actually cite or source their statement, the link to the MET just links to the MET tag... (Remember what Obama always says: "Always verify your sources")
Regardless, I already addressed this many times before, a grand total of 23 incidents isn't a big deal. And having 2 days above average isn't that big a deal either.
As I have said many times before, reports are reports, wait for real statistics. If there was a spike in UFO sightings you wouldn't be so quick to claim there was a spike in number of UFOs.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
Also Gorman please answer few questions for me since you never actually directly answered those:
1) How do you explain the videos/pictures where British attackers clearly state things like "Britain is not in the EU anymore because Brexit, so get the fuck out of my country"
How do I explain them? What does that even mean?
I think you can just watch the videos/look at the picture and you can see for yourself?
Sorry I don't know what you are getting at, how do I explain them...
Originally Posted by Smaguris
2) How do you explain thousands of articles about the same matter even from most highly valued news sources like BBC that support my claims? Is that anti-Brtisih propaganda? If not then I'd be happy to hear your explanation.
Isn't it funny to you that there are THOUSANDS of articles about essentially 23 reports? Doesn't it make you wonder how many convictions will stick?
News agencies are after money, everyone knows this. Even the BBC is staffed by humans who have their own biases. The mainstream media in practically every western country is left.
But if you really want to know why they are reporting it, there is no answer. Most news is picked up just because someone else picked it up. News outlets constantly compete for traffic, so covering the same stories as everyone else is the basics.
Just because something is reported a lot doesn't make it true, you should look at the quality of sources not the quantity. If we take the guardian on its word then we can see that 20 odd incidents is not a big deal at all. Fifty thousand articles about the subject doesn't make the issue any bigger than 23 incidents...
Originally Posted by wibblefox
Regardless, I already addressed this many times before, a grand total of 23 incidents isn't a big deal. And having 2 days above average isn't that big a deal either.
That's 23 reported incidents. Many of them go past without being reported to the police.
Originally Posted by wibblefox
How do I explain them? What does that even mean?
I think you can just watch the videos/look at the picture and you can see for yourself?
Sorry I don't know what you are getting at, how do I explain them...
How do you explain exactly what I said. How about you stop acting dumb every time you are confronted with something you can't answer?
Yes I look at the video and I see how closely racial abuse is related to Brexit by words people use themselves, but you dismiss that, so I'm asking what do you see in them. A friendly banter?
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Oh also Gorman, I am pretty sure this is a big deal since even government felt the need to address this issue to some extent. (Letter by Scottish parlament)
While you might argue that it has nothing to do with racism, we both well know that if British people wouldn't abuse immigrants with "go home" no one would have doubts about being deported.
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