http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...n/noTitle2.jpg
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...Xen/ragew2.jpg

You see? How terrible they are D:

But I wish to show you guys to get some suggestion, not what you dont like or like.

I only wish to borrow some more eyes and brain to make myself little more than what I am now.

Now suggest up.

i cant help you with drawing on the pc... i suck at that.... in quite good at rl drawing on a sheet but thats.... i can only say you something about human anatomic and how you can form it out and make it unrealistic but it still seems realistic if thats your goal... i like em... okay the first one reminds me on mars attacks but they are quite imba

Their mouths look like friggin brontosauruses, other than that though, they are good.

I suggest taking plenty of time doing rather rough sketches to get the shapes and everything. Then clean it up as you go.

Perhaps looking at a reference would also help. Not to copy, but to get ideas on placement of features.

The noses need some work on both D:

I can't have reference, it must be done from scratch. What I'm aiming for is no where near this, I need to able to draw something out of no where, any stance, any face, any expression, anything that i can think of, I have to able to put it down on the paper.

Sorry, I went on and unnecessary explanation there, but I'll try to test out new noes.

Cheers for the suggestion.

I understand where you are coming from with this, however you really should not limit yourself to never using any references, the only way you will learn the basic outlines and shapes for the head in different perspectives is to see it for yourself.
I'm sort of aiming eventually for the same goal as you, although I'll admit you're stuff looks a lot better then most of my things.
I can understand how frustrating it must feel having characters and concepts and ideas in your head and feeling unequipped to put them to paper, however really, you should give yourself credit where it is due, those sketches are really nice, assuming you are going for a more stylized anime look.

The mouths in both images look slightly pointed, which is probably what Tor1god was talking about.
The eyelashes on the second image appear to be too dense, and from an angle such as that each individual lash would probably be a little thinner, and following in the same direction.

I'd really have to suggest using references-at least early on-to get an idea on how the shape of each part of the face differs in alternate perspectives.

Really however, you should not feel so negative about these sketches, they look great, and you can only improve.

Thanks for the complement,

Also, I think you were using the term of 'reference' wrong, if you are talking about learning from other style and stuff, I'm already studding under this manganist.

The word reference are usually used when it comes to evidence/resource, which can only lead to term of 'copy' when it comes to art, to be honest.

If I'm wrong, always be welcome to fix my mistake.

Cheers.

That 2nd sketch is beast!
that smile isnt wrong when you think about it
In human anatomy, yea i guess it is...
but those eyelashes and smile make the sketch what it is.
Also, I believe in your concept of "reference" Ao.

Both are good, i think that you should add some more details around the face though. Also on the lips are kind of hard to see maybe make them a little bit more visible. 7/10

Well than all those art schools are just wasting time and money bringing naked people for their students to draw them. Maybe they just like to watch people naked? :] Without good ''foundation'' of the real life figures, poses, perspective, lighting u will always ''drag'' mistakes through your artistic career.
''How wonderfully he made that face, but why the neck is so thin?''
''I really like that girls face by whats wrong with her eyes?''
Since u are interested in doing manga, which is, to be honest, even more challenging then doing ''basic real life art'', cause it means u must be so good in presenting real life figures that u can do stylization that works and doesn't look awkward with the manga characters, I think that without start with ''references'' you will get into endless loop of doing good but not good enough.
Spoken from the personal experience.