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Nihilism, Is "God" dead?
The basic topic of this thread is simple, How do you view Nihilism and what parts of it do you agree with/disagree with? Do you thing humanity will be thrown into an era where Nihilism gains popularity, and overcome it, or that we should embrace a more Nihilistic point of view, ect ect.

A few links (Wikipedia lays it out pretty nicely)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life (Has links to many different viewpoints)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism (The basic concept)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead (Nietzsche's famous quote about morality)
Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future.
As a christian I should be against this, but maybe I am not a good christian. I believe that people created all those lies because they believed they can live better life with them (yes, christianity is starting to seem like lie to me). Why there are so many religions? Why there is not only one? Is it because it is just fancy(*1)? Many cultures have their own god/s, religions, based or not, on some events which we cant say with 100% probability that happened. What I want to say is, that world, society, system cant leave thier way of life, way of thinking as is now, yes there are people who dont believe in "higher being", but I mean whole world as is. "Morality" is the only thing which dont allow you rape unknown woman on the street, or something like that (you know what I mean, dont take it literaly). It is just learned thing, being imparted from childhood. But I dont want to imagine what will world look like without all that...


* - words marked with this symbol are those which I was unsure with.
*1 - creations of our minds
Last edited by RIPPERSVK; Apr 26, 2011 at 04:52 AM.
Hmmm interesting. Also the fact you say its seeming to look like a lie is kind of the point. In a "God is Dead" outlook, morals imparted like that hold no meaning. You would have to rise above that and create your own system of morals, free from the christian tradition. And hpefully not forsake morals altogether.
Also, There the concept of the Ubermensch. That person who rises above and creates his own morals and leads others to do the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_man
Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future.
Originally Posted by RIPPERSVK View Post
As a christian I should be against this, but maybe I am not a good christian. I believe that people created all those lies because they believed they can live better life with them (yes, christianity is starting to seem like lie to me). Why there are so many religions? Why there is not only one? Is it because it is just fancy(*1)? Many cultures have their own god/s, religions, based or not, on some events which we cant say with 100% probability that happened. What I want to say is, that world, society, system cant leave thier way of life, way of thinking as is now, yes there are people who dont believe in "higher being", but I mean whole world as is. "Morality" is the only thing which dont allow you rape unknown woman on the street, or something like that (you know what I mean, dont take it literaly). It is just learned thing, being imparted from childhood. But I dont want to imagine what will world look like without all that...


* - words marked with this symbol are those which I was unsure with.
*1 - creations of our minds

These are the thoughts that got me to finally become an atheist after never really being a true Christian anyway, just raised as one.


I think I agree with nihilism, morality is definitely made by society and that life has no meaning.
But a nihilist denies all morals, and truths in favor of nothing. I personally choose to make my own, despite societies ideals
Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future.
Well there are way more sinners now than there were in noahs time yet god hasnt done anything....Ineed, it seems as though hes dead.
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i think he isnt dead cus he never existed
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God, (Allah) As a muslim, God always existed, then who is the creator, there has to be someone who are creating us and the universe.
Originally Posted by kooky View Post
God, (Allah) As a muslim, God always existed, then who is the creator, there has to be someone who are creating us and the universe.

Maybe we have been created by someone,but it doesn't have to be a "God" as we interpret it.We don't know anything for sure really.Maybe,we are lab experiments for some other advanced organisms.We can't know for sure.So we cannot assume that God exists because it seems like the only logical reasoning.
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Okay, so we're straying a bit from the point. It's not about God, its about morals and reexamining human truths.
"God is dead" does not mean that Nietzsche believed in an actual God who first existed and then died in a literal sense. It may be more appropriate to consider the statement as Nietzsche's way of saying that the conventional Christian God is no longer a viable source of any absolute moral principles. Nietzsche recognizes the crisis which the death of God represents for existing moral considerations, because "When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet.

-From the Wikipedia page.
He is saying that without believing in God, the absolute morals that gave hold no meaning.
Also,
The death of God will lead, Nietzsche says, not only to the rejection of a belief of cosmic or physical order but also to a rejection of absolute values themselves — to the rejection of belief in an objective and universal moral law, binding upon all individuals. In this manner, the loss of an absolute basis for morality leads to nihilism. This nihilism is that for which Nietzsche worked to find a solution by re-evaluating the foundations of human values.

-again, from Wikipedia
Basicly its saying once you reject God, some choose to reject everything else and accept nothing as truth. Nietzsche tried to figure a way around this, and felt the only way to was to reshape human morals and truths after the "Death of God".
Last edited by Thatguyzeke; Apr 26, 2011 at 05:45 PM.
Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future.