HTOTM: FUSION
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Iraq War Officially Over
As of Thursday this week, 9-year war in Iraq has been officially ended.

The US Secretary of Defence, Leon Panetta, told troops the mission has been 'worth the cost in blood and dollars'.

Do you think it was worth the death of nearly 4,500 American troops, tens of thousands wounded, and well over 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths since the start of the war?
[19:39] <Birdflu> I'm just sad that I can't give myself one
[19:39] <Birdflu> I'd have a great time
It's about time.
It was not even worth it considering that U.S. jumped into a conflict that we could have left well enough alone.
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I believe if we would've stayed a bit longer things could be better for them, or at least should we have left a small enough bit of troops to make sure everything over there stays on the up-and-up. It's great that Obama kept his promise to make sure the troops came home, but we'll probably pay for it later.

Originally Posted by jorbin88 View Post
I think its worth and I thinks that's enough.

Care to give a reason for this?


I dont think it was worth it. A waste of resources and money is what i call it. Why try to fix another country if our shit over here isnt even together


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@OP:
Do you have any opinion on the speed of troop withdrawal? The original plan was by the end of 2011, now it's 2012, how the heck will they pull that off?

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1.5 trillion dollars, you killed Osama, without a trial. GOOD JOB WITH THAT. :|

Originally Posted by Echoforce View Post
I believe if we would've stayed a bit longer things could be better for them, or at least should we have left a small enough bit of troops to make sure everything over there stays on the up-and-up. It's great that Obama kept his promise to make sure the troops came home, but we'll probably pay for it later.

Eh, you failed to do your research, here are the problems with that post:
A) The troops came home according to bush's plans, Obama let the current plans continue. He did nothing of value.
Iraq and the United States had previously agreed to end the war by 2011. But that announcement was overshadowed by a reporter throwing his shoes at then-President Bush.

Yea remember that? src: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/war-is-ov...-by-years-end/

B) The Iraq government would not grant the US troops legal immunity, the US retracted due to that, care to guess why? The real problem is that the US Government kept asking if they could stay even longer.
This is a deal-breaker, because it would expose American personnel to unacceptable risks and make it almost impossible to do their jobs without being exposed to potential arbitrary prosecution by Iraq’s politicized police and judicial authorities.

Because obeying the law is for noobs. src: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/17/...roop-presence/

C) The number of troops staying is 150. To defend the embassy. How is that going to keep things on the up and up?



By the way, USA, your military is coming home, the 'Defence authorisation act' looks like it will pass, that means they can now arrest you indefinitely without trial or reason, and the military can act within borders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tO2irR2Wj8
Have fun with that.
By the way we are still recovering from the economy you crashed, please don't do that again <3 (that last part is a joke, gotta have a sense of humor.)
Last edited by Vox; Dec 16, 2011 at 07:53 AM.
Why do they need to start wars anyways?
Thats just bad. Destroying peoples life and the earth.
Its about time now.
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Originally Posted by Vox View Post
@OP:
Do you have any opinion on the speed of troop withdrawal? The original plan was by the end of 2011, now it's 2012, how the heck will they pull that off?

The last 4,000 troops are leaving within the next two weeks, which is quite doable. If you're talking in terms of when they were originally supposed to return to the US it has been incredibly slow. Granted, Obama hasn't at any point tried to keep troops there but progress has not been speedy. However, he has kept to the agreement made between America and Iraq in late 2008: 'All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011'.

And to answer my own question, no it has not been worth it. No WMDs were found and no 'victory' has been gained, because there was never an aim for victory in the first place.
[19:39] <Birdflu> I'm just sad that I can't give myself one
[19:39] <Birdflu> I'd have a great time
This is like the Vietnam war.
No one wins, everyone loses, nothing good comes out of it = f*cking pointless.

Not even worth it considering the amount of deaths.
oh yeah