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Life Beyond Our Earth.
Personally, I believe there are other life forms in our galaxy. The universe, the biggest entity humans can only begin to grasp, must be full of others. They may not be green slugs or flying purple squid things, but they could be human as well. Think about it. There could be humans out there, staring into the sky we stare into, thinking about life beyond their own realm. The government is wrong to cut NASA funding. Hopefully on other worlds they don't have Congress and corrupt politicians like we do. When(not if) we find another world, let's make it a prosperous place by not allowing Congress to come with us. What are your opinions?
I believe anything is possible, and with all that we humans have learned in our time on this planet, especially the last 100 years leads me to think that we are more than likely wrong about 99.9 percent of everything we think must be absolute. The odds against life on most planets is staggering, but then why are we here...And having said anything is possible, think of the possibility of another species of beings, not 30-50,000 years old (like how old our civilization most likely is) but possibly 30-50 million or billion years old.....possible.....why not?

EDIT: http://wimp.com/smartthink/
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Originally Posted by skywalkr View Post
I believe anything is possible, and with all that we humans have learned in our time on this planet, especially the last 100 years leads me to think that we are more than likely wrong about 99.9 percent of everything we think must be absolute. The odds against life on most planets is staggering, but then why are we here...And having said anything is possible, think of the possibility of another species of beings, not 30-50,000 years old (like how old our civilization most likely is) but possibly 30-50 million or billion years old.....possible.....why not?

EDIT: http://wimp.com/smartthink/

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I believe this is definitely the answer.
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Originally Posted by H0B0o View Post
Personally, I believe there are other life forms in our galaxy. The universe, the biggest entity humans can only begin to grasp, must be full of others. They may not be green slugs or flying purple squid things, but they could be human as well. Think about it. There could be humans out there, staring into the sky we stare into, thinking about life beyond their own realm. The government is wrong to cut NASA funding. Hopefully on other worlds they don't have Congress and corrupt politicians like we do. When(not if) we find another world, let's make it a prosperous place by not allowing Congress to come with us. What are your opinions?

Probability of life existing elsewhere: Pretty decent.
Probability of intelligent life existing elsewhere: Rather less likely, but still possible.
Probability that somewhere else in the universe, the evolutionary process went exactly the same as for human beings on Earth: Really, really, REALLY unlikely.

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Probability that even in the extremely remote chance that humans did re-evolve elsewhere in the galaxy that they would have identical or even similar cultural traits is pretty much nil.

You're not going to find humans in outer space until we put them there ourselves. And should we do that and leave them alone for a million years, they might not actually be technically human any more. Evolution has a habit of changing things in mostly random ways.

And since the universe's life is definitely finite (see: Entropy) the chance that humans will re-evolve isn't even absolute.

Now, the chance that NO life exists in outer space is possibly even more unlikely, since space is really, really, really big.

(Also, as a side note, no species should be older than about 13 billion years, given that the universe hasn't been around long enough for that to happen.)
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There is probably intelligent life out there, but as stated by suo it won't look like humans because of how we evolved to reach our current state. Just because we're carbon-based and another species is carbon-based, doesn't mean they'll look the same (see every animal on Earth)

Originally Posted by skywalkr View Post
The odds against life on most planets is staggering, but then why are we here..

Why do we need a reason to be here? For all we know, the reason we're here is due to luck. Nothing more and nothing less.

If life was created on one planet due to chance, I don't see why it can't happen in some other area of the universe.
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Originally Posted by suomynona View Post

You're not going to find humans in outer space until we put them there ourselves. And should we do that and leave them alone for a million years, they might not actually be technically human any more. Evolution has a habit of changing things in mostly random ways.

I'm a bit of a conspiracy theory nut, of course I believe in evolution and it seems that we most likely evolved from the Homo Genus. I am also a believer of Genetic engineering...so what If we are from the Homo Genus, with a little bit of tweaking...you said yourself you're not going to find humans in outer space until we put them there ourselves. What if we were made here 100-200,000 or even as early as 50-70,000 years ago and left here...Homo sapien sapien still has a very controversial path of evolution, and I'm sticking with my we don't know shit, and anything is possible stance.

EDIT: Hi hanz0, for this argument the "OMG WHAT IF THIS WAS TRUE THAT WOULD BE SO COOL" stance is a valid argument in my opinion. This is how history is rewritten. To back up my argument I will say that space travel is possible, genetic engineering is possible, and the time span to undertake such immense projects is there. The only thing I'm missing is solid evidence, but theories such as these make it possible to find evidence that we weren't looking for. I apologize for my deviation from the topic. I was merely trying to say that I could see a past where A race of beings evolved way past the point of our evolution could be responsible for our type of evolutionary tools, like the technology to do what they have been doing for millions of years.

Originally Posted by suomynona View Post
And since the universe's life is definitely finite (see: Entropy) the chance that humans will re-evolve isn't even absolute.

AGREED, but also the genetic diversity of everything on this planet isn't as diverse as we had thought 100 years ago, DNA is so similar in almost all forms of life. I don't think that we are going to be that different from "intelligent" aliens.

Originally Posted by suomynona View Post
(Also, as a side note, no species should be older than about 13 billion years, given that the universe hasn't been around long enough for that to happen.)

Still think we don't know much, and anything is possible.
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Originally Posted by skywalkr View Post
I'm a bit of a conspiracy theory nut, of course I believe in evolution and it seems that we most likely evolved from the Homo Genus. I am also a believer of Genetic engineering...so what If we are from the Homo Genus, with a little bit of tweaking...you said yourself you're not going to find humans in outer space until we put them there ourselves. What if we were made here 100-200,000 or even as early as 50-70,000 years ago and left here...Homo sapien sapien still has a very controversial path of evolution, and I'm sticking with my we don't know shit, and anything is possible stance.

Hi. The "OMG WHAT IF THIS WAS TRUE THAT WOULD BE SO COOL" stance is obnoxious. If you can't back yourself up, please don't bother. Moreover, you missed the point of suo's post, which was that we're unlikely to find humans that evolved separately from us but exactly the same.



Originally Posted by skywalkr View Post
AGREED, but also the genetic diversity of everything on this planet isn't as diverse as we had thought 100 years ago, DNA is so similar in almost all forms of life. I don't think that we are going to be that different from "intelligent" aliens.

... The fact that DNA evolved to be the dominant form of genetic encoding on Earth says fuck-all about what's going to happen elsewhere. By the way, that's not what "genetic diversity" means.



Originally Posted by skywalkr View Post
Still think we don't know much, and anything is possible.

Still think you should make an intelligent argument instead of spouting off nonsense and expecting us to respect your opinion just because you have one.
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