Originally Posted by
Nightin
He was charged with 2nd degree murder a while ago, actually.
He wasn't charged before since the Stand Your Ground Law justified his actions due to there being no witnesses to challenge his self defense claim. He is most likely being charged now due to a public outcry.
Originally Posted by
Nightin
Ah, but you see, the Stand Your Ground Law IS their main target. They know they can't get rid of gun ownership in he US so this is their main priority right now. There's no point in attacking it from the start when you can just get people to follow your cause through appeal to emotion in a case where we still don't know all of the evidence. Later on you can say that Trayvon died because of this law, and people will go with it just because they're so emotionally involved with the case. It's much easier this way.
I severely doubt that the main goal of the media was to challenge the SYG law from the get go. If that was the case, they would have let the public know what the SYG law actually was when they first reported this case. They would have also reported on the other, more radical, cases where SYG was used.
Like the time a man chased down a burglar for more than a block, only to stab him multiple times in the back and was let free.
Source
Originally Posted by
cocacobra
Your so biased.
You took a lollipop and made it look like a mint on a stick.
"florida law lets murders run around on the street"
i lold at that. It's a self defense law pretty much. It states that if you know they're going to do something bad to you, you have this law to support you so you can act upon it (kind of bad description). But he knew if he didn't shoot trayvon then he wouldve suffered serious injury or even death. I don't see how this law is unconstitutional, trayvon lost his right to life after he attacked zimmerman. This is a no brainer
Im assuming you meant to say "You took a lollipop and made it look like shit on a stick." Sounds more relevant to me.
What I said about SYG letting murderers roam free was an exaggeration but it does give people who commit murders something to fall back on. And I actually don't think the SYG law (The Right to Murder Law) is out of place in this case. It actually benefits Zimmerman in the long run if he actually felt his life was in danger.
Originally Posted by
Acesonnall
I'm starting to think you don't know what's wrong with what Zimmerman did.
This is the other side to the case:
Why do Zimmerman's actions automatically have to be wrong? Yes, a 17 year old teenager was killed but what if Zimmerman's life was actually in danger? Was he wrong for protecting himself? Should he have let the altercation continue and hope that he would live to see the next day?
Just because Zimmerman chose to follow and confront Trayvon Martin doesn't automatically give Travyon the right to beat the shit out of Zimmerman.
Originally Posted by
Acesonnall
You're one of those guys who say, "THE MEDIA IS LYING TO US! THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED!" NBC did cut out part of the tape where the police officer asked what race he was, but that was the only problem. He still made racial remarks so NO, it still was likely a racial bias too.
The media is lying to us! They cannot be trusted!
It shouldn't be news to you that the media will always attempt to make the public view certain events in a certain way.
What makes you think that everything that has been presented so far by the mainstream media about the Trayvon Martin case is unbiased?
Even the initial picture of Travyon Martin was used to provoke public speculation as to how innocent he was. Even though it was a picture of him from when he was 12 years old.
And not to mention the old Zimmerman picture from a few years back (I forget how many years) where he was wearing an orange polo shirt that looked a lot like a prison jumpsuit.
Originally Posted by
Acesonnall
Here are the problems.- Zimmerman shot a kid who was talking on his cellular phone with his girlfriend while eating skittles
Did you not hear about the altercation that took place which resulted in the shooting of Trayvon Martin? I doubt that during the scuffle that took place that Trayvon was on his cellphone and eating skittles at the same time.
- Zimmerman was told not to get out of his vehicle and replied "Okay" signifying that he understood. Okay
- Zimmerman got out of his vehicle (LOL) I'm glad this is funny to you ._.
- Zimmerman said that he's not going to let this one get away signifying that he had ill intentions
Or maybe he wanted to prevent another burglary? Like the last one he helped prevented? Source
- If he was so scared for his life, why would he pursue a 'criminal' so casually? Normally criminals travel in groups; his buddy could have been hiding somewhere and Zimmerman could have been killed.
He was scared for his life before the altercation took place? What? And also, you said that he didn't want the 'criminal' to get away.
- He's a big man, you really think a somewhat scrawny 17 year old could beat the crap out of Zimmerman?
I can't say that I know what happened, but I am not ruling out that possibility just because it seems unlikely. It is a possible scenario that could have taken place.
- Zimmerman claim that he was beaten up and shot in self-defense Yup
- In all the video tapes of Zimmerman, there were no physical signs of an intense struggle (No bloody shirt, no bloody nose, no bruises, and when the police officers brought him in, he got out of the car on his own with his hands tied behind his back! Normally, the police officer helps you out of the car if you are hurt)
Well unless there was a video of Zimmerman at the scene of the incident shortly after it happened, you won't be able to see much. *Allegedly* Paramedics tended to Zimmerman before he was brought in for questioning (Source). Also, new enhanced versions of those tapes have already been released. They show Zimmerman in high definition along with a scar on the back of his head (Source).
- Someone died
We all know this.
Originally Posted by
Acesonnall
Bro, the black community didn't cry racism. Every community did! You're sounding a little biased by making such radical claims dude.
May not be the case but this is how I feel. Being around individuals who have the mindset that "Slavery still exists today" annoys me. My bad if I offended you.
Originally Posted by
Acesonnall
Guess what, with the Casey Anthony case, a white person was killed and there was a huge hype.
The media is there to bring light on issues that need to be addressed. If you had a son that shot by a neighborhood watchman claiming defense and found that the watchman got away with it. Wouldn't you like to know how that happened? The media brings you all the facts you need to know in order to make your decision. Of course you need to do a little research of your own as well, but that is what they are for.
The media is there to bring light on issue that THEY FEEL need to be addressed.
OFC I would want to know what happened to my son. Sure, at first, I might wish for the man who murdered my son to die a horrible death. But after that phase of Anger passes, I would just want justice to be served. I would want things to be set right. If the murderer did what he did in a true act of self defense, I would be mad yes, but as long as the murderer feels regret for what he has done and sincerely apologizes, I would be open to considering to forgive him.
Originally Posted by Trayvon's Mom
“One of the things that I still believe in, a person should apologize when they are actually remorseful for what they’ve done. I believe it was an accident. I believe that it just got out of control and he couldn’t turn the clock back. I would ask him, did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager, and that he did not have a weapon?”
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Trayvon's Mother wants answers. Maybe punishment for his actions but more importantly, she wants to see if Zimmerman truly regrets shooting Trayvon Martin. At least, that is what I am getting from this statement.
The media gives you facts, yes. Not all of them mind you. And with the facts that they do give, they present them in a way that reflects their view on the event. That makes the media what? You guessed it. Biased. The most you can do is look at the event from different sources, look at the evidence presented, and then come to your own conclusions. And also realize that your conclusion is not "The Truth." It is merely your own view on the matter which is what? Your opinion.