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Yet another rant about the forums from suomynona.
You know me, grumpy old person lurking the forums occasionally banning a noob. So, being as grumpy as I am, I have a list of complaints that I want to hear opinions on.
1. Have you noticed a lack of interesting Discussion material? I personally am in favor of mostly moving elerk. However, that'd be redundant and would definitely not include Wibbles. I'd much prefer to either leave it as it is, or get your opinion on what we can do to spice Discussion up.
If I have to bribe you to make good topics, I will.
2. Have you noticed that in The Game board, we don't talk about The Game (or the game, for you annoying insistent people.) I'd prefer it if we stop wasting ten million megabytes of a hard drive space on replays and start talking about Toribash. At that point, I would probably read it. Or maybe just bring back the moves discussion. It also shuts the noobs up, they can find good moves.
3. Support: Do you people not read? There are stickies. One of them is titled rules in some manner or another. I'd prefer it if at least the Undescriptive Topic Title rule was followed. I would greatly appreciate it if all of them were followed. I'd also appreciate making it so only mods can reply, but that's a bit overboard and makes mod recruiting hard. Maybe making the posts moderated like Debate could improve intelligence.
4. Tutorials and FAQs: How can we make people read them? Please tell me.
5. Infractions: Do we need to give out more, less, or switch to an entirely different system? They obviously don't work for ingame situations, nor for Debate.
6. Wibbles: Are you happy it's being deleted? Personally I think it'll be boring and sad at first, but nothing important.
7. Post ranking does nothing. Maybe we should get a way for people to get something from posting well. Read number 1.
8. Your complaint here.
1. Have you noticed a lack of interesting Discussion material? I personally am in favor of mostly moving elerk. However, that'd be redundant and would definitely not include Wibbles. I'd much prefer to either leave it as it is, or get your opinion on what we can do to spice Discussion up.
If I have to bribe you to make good topics, I will.
2. Have you noticed that in The Game board, we don't talk about The Game (or the game, for you annoying insistent people.) I'd prefer it if we stop wasting ten million megabytes of a hard drive space on replays and start talking about Toribash. At that point, I would probably read it. Or maybe just bring back the moves discussion. It also shuts the noobs up, they can find good moves.
3. Support: Do you people not read? There are stickies. One of them is titled rules in some manner or another. I'd prefer it if at least the Undescriptive Topic Title rule was followed. I would greatly appreciate it if all of them were followed. I'd also appreciate making it so only mods can reply, but that's a bit overboard and makes mod recruiting hard. Maybe making the posts moderated like Debate could improve intelligence.
4. Tutorials and FAQs: How can we make people read them? Please tell me.
5. Infractions: Do we need to give out more, less, or switch to an entirely different system? They obviously don't work for ingame situations, nor for Debate.
6. Wibbles: Are you happy it's being deleted? Personally I think it'll be boring and sad at first, but nothing important.
7. Post ranking does nothing. Maybe we should get a way for people to get something from posting well. Read number 1.
8. Your complaint here.
Last edited by suomynona; May 21, 2009 at 12:18 AM.
Squad Squad Squad lead?
The standardization of Toribash Squad roles may have gone too far!
The standardization of Toribash Squad roles may have gone too far!
1. "Discussion" seems to much like debate. putting stricter rules on discussion will essentially create two debate boards.
2. Perhaps a section dedicated to replays only?
3. Manditory rule look-over. I don't know if its possible to do, but perhaps the tutorial/FAQ's/rules are set so you have to read them before you can post in a certain board.
4. ^
5. Perhaps ugly little marks under your name, like the green rep bars. and maybe having + votes on your posts would reduce them.
6. Wibbles isn't doing anybody any harm. I say leave it.
7. The thread rating and post rating systems have no effect on anything. Really pointless. I say either get rid of the features, or make them actually do stuff.
2. Perhaps a section dedicated to replays only?
3. Manditory rule look-over. I don't know if its possible to do, but perhaps the tutorial/FAQ's/rules are set so you have to read them before you can post in a certain board.
4. ^
5. Perhaps ugly little marks under your name, like the green rep bars. and maybe having + votes on your posts would reduce them.
6. Wibbles isn't doing anybody any harm. I say leave it.
7. The thread rating and post rating systems have no effect on anything. Really pointless. I say either get rid of the features, or make them actually do stuff.
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I agree with you. It's been this way for a while, but I'm glad we are starting to do something about it by eliminating the Wibbles board. However, those who spam cannot stop spamming. They'd find another way to do it, and, sadly, Toribash is the type of game that attracts those who are more inclined to spam, like teenagers with no lives, those who looked at this game online, thought, "Holy shit, he just ripped all of his limbs off," and download the game without having to pay a cent.
Making the game free has attracted many people who are interested in making this community better, but I personally think that they don't know where to go. The community hasn't become larger, when you truly think about it. It's just the people who stay who have defined it, and those who have stayed are the people I described above.
I also notice a lot of elitism in the higher Toribash community. I remember asking Delaid over a game once about how he got to be a moderator of a certain board. He said that veb, or whatever persona veb was using at the time, was handing them out, to the first one who asked. I attacked him over, and I was angry. Months later, veb asked randomly on the IRC, "Does anybody here want to mod the Book of Records board?" I answered first, and I ended becoming the moderator. I remembered what I had first said to Delaid months ago, and thought to myself, "Is it truly that easy? I mean, I've never really done jackshit in this community, except know people."
I feel we need to make the IRC more available, on a larger medium. There are tutorials on here to get on the IRC, but none really seeable unless somebody knows where to look. I suggest we put it on the top of the page, where the promo-team events are. To me, it might be a chance to lower the bar, a chance for the wibblers to meet the elites, and coexist better. It may be a stretch though to get people to stay, but the ones who haved stayed in the IRC have been, good people, smart people, and most of all, friendlypeople. Better discussion on the forums, more good active people, and more happy people.
Now, to answer your questions.
1. See above.
2. True, but then again, shouldn't discussion be about Toribash discussion?
3. Put a support link at the top of the page, with it linking directly to the FAQ page. It should at least curtail some of the people.
4. See number three.
5. Hard to say. Forum infractions don't really force people. Make the system harsher. Not to mention, a ban doesn't mean an IP ban. People come back, and the cycle starts over.
6. I am. It's only a shitload of spam, used to boost somebody's ego or propagate the latest internet fad.
7. Who knows.
Making the game free has attracted many people who are interested in making this community better, but I personally think that they don't know where to go. The community hasn't become larger, when you truly think about it. It's just the people who stay who have defined it, and those who have stayed are the people I described above.
I also notice a lot of elitism in the higher Toribash community. I remember asking Delaid over a game once about how he got to be a moderator of a certain board. He said that veb, or whatever persona veb was using at the time, was handing them out, to the first one who asked. I attacked him over, and I was angry. Months later, veb asked randomly on the IRC, "Does anybody here want to mod the Book of Records board?" I answered first, and I ended becoming the moderator. I remembered what I had first said to Delaid months ago, and thought to myself, "Is it truly that easy? I mean, I've never really done jackshit in this community, except know people."
I feel we need to make the IRC more available, on a larger medium. There are tutorials on here to get on the IRC, but none really seeable unless somebody knows where to look. I suggest we put it on the top of the page, where the promo-team events are. To me, it might be a chance to lower the bar, a chance for the wibblers to meet the elites, and coexist better. It may be a stretch though to get people to stay, but the ones who haved stayed in the IRC have been, good people, smart people, and most of all, friendlypeople. Better discussion on the forums, more good active people, and more happy people.
Now, to answer your questions.
1. See above.
2. True, but then again, shouldn't discussion be about Toribash discussion?
3. Put a support link at the top of the page, with it linking directly to the FAQ page. It should at least curtail some of the people.
4. See number three.
5. Hard to say. Forum infractions don't really force people. Make the system harsher. Not to mention, a ban doesn't mean an IP ban. People come back, and the cycle starts over.
6. I am. It's only a shitload of spam, used to boost somebody's ego or propagate the latest internet fad.
7. Who knows.
[17:02] <Homer> anyone up for some tb?
01[17:09] <BlackBear> No.
[17:12] <Homer> >.>
[17:13] <Dafe> TB is what killed Doc Holiday.
01[17:09] <BlackBear> No.
[17:12] <Homer> >.>
[17:13] <Dafe> TB is what killed Doc Holiday.
I'm just gonna concentrate on #1:
I'm suggesting a merge between Debate and Discussion.
It would fill Discussion again, and although the quality of debates would drop a little, that would be a small price to pay for the steep rise in quality you'd get in the discussions board as a whole. The debate board is currently a place where people have to tread so carefully to avoid ejection that most of them just stay away from debates entirely, even if they've got something on their mind. The discussions board has become void, as it's now middle ground between serious discussion and non-serious chit-chat.
With Discussion and Debate together you'd have three conversation boards:
Level 1: Discussion - Quality discussions where people talk like gents and make threads about subjects from the media (for instance), that can be discussed or debated. Topics such as "what is your favourite song" is not accepted as a valid discussion.
Level 2: Rapid Threads (new name?) - Idle chit chat about life and stuff. "your favourite song" would be accepted here as it isn't a bad thread, just a poor Discussion.
Level 3: Wibbles - basically where everything else goes. Nobody cares what's posted as long as it's not NSFW or something. It's our equavilient of /b/, and a necessary evil (if one wishes to view it as an evil entity) to keep the spammy users in one place.
The way I see it, this is a perfect trio that doesn't leave anything out.
I'm suggesting a merge between Debate and Discussion.
It would fill Discussion again, and although the quality of debates would drop a little, that would be a small price to pay for the steep rise in quality you'd get in the discussions board as a whole. The debate board is currently a place where people have to tread so carefully to avoid ejection that most of them just stay away from debates entirely, even if they've got something on their mind. The discussions board has become void, as it's now middle ground between serious discussion and non-serious chit-chat.
With Discussion and Debate together you'd have three conversation boards:
Level 1: Discussion - Quality discussions where people talk like gents and make threads about subjects from the media (for instance), that can be discussed or debated. Topics such as "what is your favourite song" is not accepted as a valid discussion.
Level 2: Rapid Threads (new name?) - Idle chit chat about life and stuff. "your favourite song" would be accepted here as it isn't a bad thread, just a poor Discussion.
Level 3: Wibbles - basically where everything else goes. Nobody cares what's posted as long as it's not NSFW or something. It's our equavilient of /b/, and a necessary evil (if one wishes to view it as an evil entity) to keep the spammy users in one place.
The way I see it, this is a perfect trio that doesn't leave anything out.
Last edited by CMon; May 21, 2009 at 12:59 AM.
Originally Posted by suomynona
3. Support: Do you people not read? There are stickies. One of them is titled rules in some manner or another. I'd prefer it if at least the Undescriptive Topic Title rule was followed. I would greatly appreciate it if all of them were followed. I'd also appreciate making it so only mods can reply, but that's a bit overboard and makes mod recruiting hard. Maybe making the posts moderated like Debate could improve intelligence.
4. Tutorials and FAQs: How can we make people read them? Please tell me.
3. Moderated posts in support sounds good to me.
4. Some need a re-write and most need an update. eg. the shader FAQ still states a 64meg card, but since 3.7x you need 128meg or tori & uke don't appear.
<Erf> SkulFuk: gf just made a toilet sniffing joke at me
<Erf> i think
<Erf> i think i hate you
