Originally Posted by Marco

Show me some evidence of a god and I'll believe in one

Originally Posted by RayA75

doxa. That means it is common belief or opinion. The highest knowledge that there is about God and the soul comes through order of metaphysical philosophy, arguments and logical inferences that seek out the truth about these metaphysical things; except this still falls under doxa. Though these is a problem for those saying that science is superior to religious belief.

Originally Posted by dannyrug

Show me evidence that god does not exist and I will not believe in one.

Originally Posted by RayA75

Exactly my point.

Originally Posted by ImmortalCow

Shame on you Ray, I know you know better than to perpetuate such fallacies. Asking someone to prove a negative is a well known logical fallacy - hell, in court it exists under the name "unfair burden".

Stop intentionally using logical fallacies.

If you have no proof that God exists, then you cannot assert that he exists. Such is logic.
If you can't understand such simple logic then don't reply, because if you reply you will be breaking rules B, C and E.

Originally Posted by snake

To all religious fanatics ot here:

Why do you need god?
Why do you need to belive in god?

Honestly

Originally Posted by RayA75

Allow me to demonstrate why I am not arbitarily disregarding the burden of truth fallacy in the same way other posters may be doing so.
So the proof that one looks for- the burden of this proof- lies in the fact that there is no empirical direct evidence of the existence of a God (no episteme knowledge). God's existence is not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt-- there are no facts behind it. Just like in court, we don't need to prove the existence of God beyond the shadow of the doubt (as long as we do not assert the position that God exists as fact). It is only necessary to prove the existence of God as beyond a reasonable doubt (like in court the prosecuters seek to prove the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt). We don't do this through direct empirical evidence but rather with logical inference. This is as much proof one will have to assert the existence of a God, but I believe asserting the existence of a God beyond a reasonable doubt is enough to lif the burden of truth off of the shoulders of those in favor of God's existence, just like how it is enough to lift the burden of truth off of the shoulders of the prosecution in court.

Now the question is that if there is an argument foolproof enough to legitimately prove the existence of God beyond a reasonable doubt.

Originally Posted by ImmortalCow

However you are not using logical inference, as I said before, you are ignoring basic logic and committing logical fallacies.

Your argument is not an attempt to prove that the existence of God beyond a reasonable doubt, it is merely a delusional extension of the confirmation bias. You want God to exist, therefore in your mind you are making coherent arguments. But to any outside observers, you are just patting yourself on the back with circular arguments and fallacies.

This is not a court of law. You are not a prosecutor trying to prove God's existence. You have not made any logical arguments to warrant the assertion of the existence of God. And even if you had, this is not a question of "is it possible for God to exist", there is a question of "does God exist".

Your most coherent argument is doxa, you said so yourself. Using doxa as fact is a logical fallacy. Ergo, you have no legs to stand on.


Once again, there is no point trying to assert that God exists if your only argument is a logical fallacy. It is neither logical nor reasonable nor proven that God exists, please stop acting as if it is.

Originally Posted by Agentmax

The term eternal is one that is made for those without no end. God is eternal (As all religions see it) He doesn't have to appear in a certain shape or form. People that say "Show me God and I'll believe" are no better then those who take God to the extreme. So for fucks sake, please put aside your atheist views for one second and see the other side of the coin before making such a brash statement.

Originally Posted by dannyrug

Show me evidence that god does not exist and I will not believe in one.