they are in stock: http://forum.toribash.com/tori_groups.php?id=110
40k for both

That they are in stock doesnt mean that it only costs 25% of the value...

Dude, why are u posting if u're not bidding, is it to share u're great market knowledge?
how about this: http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=252219
a. imp force for 70k and 0 offers in 2 days
and: http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=252499
a. imp blood for 15k and no one has bought it yet for 17% of the shop value
from these threads we see it is hard to sell them at 50% of their shop value, hence I offered 25%.
What are u're arguments Ninja?

I can sell you blood for 15-20k.
Anyway I'd like much more for force. Saw one sold for 60k few days ago. Im looking for atleast 45-55k.

no thx for the blood, Fee is selling for 15k, i u can d0 10k for blood and 40k for force I'd take it

I'll keep the blood.
Also, make it 45k for force and we have a deal.