Toribash
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Petition against a new anti-gay-lesbian-transgender-bill thats bout to pass(Russia):
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/1...rights-to-act/
Russian LGBT equality activists gathered in St. Petersburg on Sunday to protest an anti-gay propaganda measure that calls for a fine of up to $1,600 for “public actions aimed at propaganda of pederasty, lesbianism, bisexuality, and transgenderism among minors.” The measure, which has passed the first of three readings, is intended to limit any public discussion or display about the LGBT community. Lawmakers are considering similar legislation in Moscow and have even suggested that the St. Petersburg rules could be extended to other regions or into federal legislation.



Political leaders in St. Petersburg are about to vote on law that will make it illegal for any person to write a book, publish an article or speak in public about being gay, lesbian or transgender. The ruling party led by President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin could make millions of people invisible with the stroke of a pen.

Human rights defenders around the country are doing everything they can to stop it. They are risking their freedom to organize flashmobs and protests, but they are afraid that it won't be enough.



If you want to sign it do so:
http://allout.org/en/actions/russia_silenced

this could silence millions of people who just want to express themselves...

this of course also should be a place to discuss about it ... and yeah i c/pīd the text due to my giant lack of english...

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Good god guys... why do people feel bothered by this thread or offended?
I dont want to talk about my sexuality or anyones in here this isnt part of the topic.
pls get this right.


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Last edited by pinheads; Nov 24, 2011 at 06:44 PM.
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So, let me get this straight... Political leaders in Russia are voting on a petition that's against gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc... Can this world get any more stupid? Why can't people just respect each other's sexual interest? I'm straight but I have to give a damn if other people can't do what they feel's right.
i actually cant do more than post the sites i got this info from i am not russian though...
actually it did not pass yet.
which could be a reason why hardly ppl know about it.
also those guys arenīt "reporters".
these sites are run by LGBTQ orgs from russia/all over the world.
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and as far as i know the government of russia doesnt "like" gays/lesbians/transsexuals/bis that much

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
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"The United States places great importance on combating discrimination against the LGBT community and all minority groups," the State Department said.

a good short article even i cant take this ^ too serious
Last edited by pinheads; Nov 24, 2011 at 07:59 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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I see nothing wrong with this. Propaganda targeted at minors for any cause should not be allowed.
Originally Posted by MintCat View Post
So, let me get this straight... Political leaders in Russia are voting on a petition that's against gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc... Can this world get any more stupid? Why can't people just respect each other's sexual interest? I'm straight but I have to give a damn if other people can't do what they feel's right.

Fallacy.

The bill is not 'against gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc...', it is against public actions aimed at propaganda of gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc among minors.

I believe now that I have cleared up your confusion, I can reuse your argument (with a small modification); why can't people just respect other people?

If 'gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc' would stop pushing propaganda on to minors, then it wouldn't be a problem. Do you really think it is a good idea to do that? It has been well proven that children are impressionable, and I don't think this kind of thing is the sort of issue a child should have to deal with.
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If 'gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc' would stop pushing propaganda on to minors, then it wouldn't be a problem. Do you really think it is a good idea to do that? It has been well proven that children are impressionable, and I don't think this kind of thing is the sort of issue a child should have to deal with.

i will try even with my bad english to disagree:
actually its all in the point of view.
first of all i wouldnt call it an issue. I dont get whats an issue about homosexuality itself if it was meant like that.
i also cant see any propaganda in expressions of gay networks and papers or demonstrations.

this bill would seriously harm gay transgend lesbian bi literature and the whole gay community. It would take away the(even now) small space they fought for, for ages.
Which is a really bad thing to me.
i dont get anything wrong about confronting children with homosexuality/trans/bi
We are confronted with heteronormative (<-- are you calling it like that in english O.e) stuff everywhere and our society is over-sexed.
There are two options:
less oversexed society
or opentoallkindsofsexuality oversexed society.
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and if i may correct you correcting mintcat i think in your interpretation of his post the correct version would be:
mintcat: everyone should be able to express themselves
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Originally Posted by T0ribush View Post
Uhhh, don't be in other peoples faces about your sexuality and keep it to yourself. It's of no ones concern.

just 7% of human population and those who support them.
srsly get out of my thread with this nonsense.
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Of course Homosexuality (etc.) should be tolerated and to be serious: is this even necessary?
I mean, people should be allowed to express what they want. So why not homosexuality?
Children won't get influenced by something they aren't interested in, I guess..
What the hell is a signature?
Originally Posted by pinheads View Post
just 7% of human population and those who support them.
srsly get out of my thread with this nonsense.

What he is saying is that everyone should keep it to themselves. Same as with religion;
Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat.

Similar situation with homosexuality.
also the same situation with heterosexuality then.
sexuality of each kind is equal.
and it is important to everyone or almost everyone.
its an important part of education too. but thatīs subjective.
you canīt really compare religion and sexuality in my opinion
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just the kind of developement it made through the centuries and the fights that have been fought make it different.

Homo/trans/bi sexuality has (NEVER) been accepted through the human history. religion was.
Expression always was a part of this "fight".
Last edited by pinheads; Nov 25, 2011 at 12:34 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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