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Obama thinks it's cool, Christianity did not invent the concept of religion, the denial of gay rights is a denial of human rights and thus is oppressive.


Opinions go.

Homosexuality has been around for as long as heterosexuality (Dolphins are bisexual!) so gay marriage should be allowed.

And if not "marriage" because marriage means a union between a man and a woman, why not make "Gayrriage" (pronounced Gehr Idge) or any whatchamacallit-word you want, that symbolizes union between a woman and woman/man and man.

They currently have civil union, but let's face it, if they want marriage they should have marriage. If it's a matter of definition then change the definition. Gay never used to mean homosexual and neither did queer, fruit, faggot or almost all of the other names they are referred to by. I'm ok with changing the meaning of one word.

No one is going to talk about why Christianity has been against gay marriage? I'll do so then.

The Catholic Church had spoken out against homosexuality up until modern times because they believed it to be a temptation and a hedonistic, rebellious lifestyle. As we see today, people do really have an attraction to their same gender, and it is as natural as heterosexuality, at least for those people.This shows us that homosexuality, at least in these people, isn’t a hedonistic temptation. Had the early Church known that a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, would be able to devote themselves to one another in a truly romantic (instead of hedonistic) relationship and raise their children in a proper environment, I doubt they would have every spoken out against it.

Because of this, many parts of the Catholic Church and Christianity in general is openly embracing homosexuals. It is not their place to judge whether homosexuality is hedonistic when we have seen it to be romantic. Here is a snippet from Catholic Catechism:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

The argument about how to treat homosexuals is ongoing in the Catholic Church right now, and I hope they come to realize that it should be just as accepted as heterosexuality.

I think that it shouldn't be annoying 2 people from the same sex having a relationship, I agree that it is against nature but it doesn't seem wrong to me. They don't harm anybody, they are just 2 people from the same sex loving eachother.

It may be against some religions but homosexuality seems to be spread around the whole world and now most people are ok with it.

Like for example there is alot of films/shows wich have homosexual people starring and most of those people are seen as idols for young people. The homosexual bunch of people inspire others to express yourself and be what you are, be free.
For example ellen degeneres, alot of people admire her and see her as an idol. She helps alot of people and she is openly homo, everybody is fine with it.

Summary: Nothing is wrong with it, at least in my opinion.

Like I said before, homosexuality has been around since the beginning. It may not be intended, but one could say it's "natural'

Okay, the problem I have with this topic is that if you speak against anything gays do (Politely) in a topic like this, you're usually viewed as a dick. To prevent this and to actually further debate. Please read the following.
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OP: Christianity does not deny them human rights and you're a FOOL to even make such claims without even actually knowing for yourself. Just because you have other Christian hating people out there doesn't mean it's okay because they're a lot more wrong than you think (Making you wrong). The bible (I'm a Christian who actually knows why I'm a Christian, the complete opposite of a "Chirstfag") speaks against gay marriage and that's it, pointing out that it should be between a man and a women many times. However, an smarter Christian would know that despite the differences between you and others, you're supposed to show compassion, love, and forgiveness (But don't go around saying "God bless your heart for being Gay, god will cure you!". Never say that). God says to love your enemies. Your enemies aren't narrowed down to your average foe, but people you typically agree with.

Any Christian who wants anyone dead, who hates anyone, or who covets what another has (In the sense that one may dislike gays because they steal the potential of you being able to with the male/female you wanted to) is completely and utterly impaired and should go refresh their relationship with God.

Going more on topic, you think the main reason why people don't accept gays gay acts is because Christians don't agree with it? Dead wrong. While that is one of the prominent reasons, Christians aren't the problem. The fact that people have sacred and MORAL standings is the problem.

Look at it like this. It's not really fair that people have to be forced to amend their moral standards to accept something they originally didn't agree with. One may bring up the argument that it doesn't effect the person or their family. This is however not true, while it may not effect every day life (As it's not like gays aren't allowed to kiss in public) it does effect people emotionally and spiritually as for those who are in religions, it's against "the rules" and for those who aren't in religions, they feel as if it's disturbing and not correct as penis plus penis does not equal baby. In argument to one could bring up the fact that gays can adopt or go to a sperm bank. Essentially, gays and gay supporters win that argument except for the fact that a child may not want to go with the homosexual parent because they are homosexual.

Another argument is that "It's not fair for people be forced to accept us? Well it's not fair for us to not have any rights! How would you like it if you didn't have any marriage right?"
This is one of those tricky arguments where those against gay marriage are often criticized for. However, this argument all depends on how society view gays (Yes, no argument can solve this as this is a personal argument). According to a gallup poll (One of the most support polls worldwide), half of Americans Support Legal Gay Marriage. This is is a 3% drop from last year as 53% percent of Americans used to support gay marriage. So as long as this number continues to go down, you know people don't recognize gay marriage as a right because they still haven't got passed the part that gays aren't normal (This is me disputing their thinking) and as long as the number goes up, you know it'll be legalized.

An additional argument in support of gays is usually asked in the form of a question and that is as follows: Yea, support for gay marriage may not be high, but how do you think blacks in America got their human rights? By never giving up!

Exactly! Honestly, NOBODY can define this world. This world is shaped by human thought and action. As long as gays and gay supporters keep pushing and don't change their views/sexuality, then you may succeed. The main problem I have with gays pushing for rights is their approach. This may or may not be the minority or majority, but of all I've seen and encountered, a lot of these people are rude about it and often become extremely aggressive on the sole basis of a person not being sure whether to support it or in the case of the OP, a person who doesn't support it.
Gay supporters: This issue is a informational issue. If you can get people to "See the light" in this debate politely (Provided they are also calm) and effectively (Winning the debate by actually proving them wrong in all areas), but also with assertion, you win. You democratically win.

Another argument opposing gay marriage is often one noted as ridiculous, but it's stated as: We are a society becoming tolerant of everything we do and are losing our sacred values. We are exploiting little girls on television and generally treating them as if they were adults (I.E Toddlers in Tiaras) rather making them actually have a childhood, children's TV networks are allowing more violence into their shows than ever before, and now we've allowing people to do such "strange" things as getting married to the opposite sex? Are we going to define marriage next as "Any person or groups of people who love and cherish each other?"

While it may sound ridiculous to some in the sense that "Are you serious? Of course that wouldn't happen.", but in refutation, one could just spit back "Well, look at gays. The majority of us used to oppose that and now we "apparently see the light"."


TL;dr? Then you're likely ignorant and you should just leave this discussion all together for that, but if you actually didn't have time, then read below.

So, what's my opinion? I think it'll be legalized sooner or later.
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The point of this post was to provide further analysis and to bring this argument on the right track. As a reminder (I stated this in the post as a point), if you are going to argue anything effectively, refrain from rude or ignorant comments. How do you know if it's an ignorant comment? Well if you can't support it, then it's ignorant.

Obviously being homosexual is just as natural as heterosexual, It's not a decision, just like for someone hetero, they born that way, whether they want it or not. Recently in my country (Brazil), there was a politician completely homophobic, thousands of people are in his favor. I wonder where will this lead us? Not to mention that part of the ones in his favor are also politicians.

i stopped reading there, how is it against nature?
homosexuality is found in over 400 species

Perhaps they could change the name of marriage for homosexuals to something like butt buddies.

User infracted: Blatant idiocy.