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Guns, Concealed Carry Permits, Your thoughts on them.
So i recently took a course (Goddamn 7 hour course!) About being safe with your pistol and when you carry it. (Seeing as i'm only 16, I took this with my father) This course was all about how to carry your pistol safely and how to conceal it, And also, What to do if someone does come at you or your family with another gun. So i was talking on the Race2Play forums (Sim Racing Game). And lots of people from other countries got mad that America even HAS guns. And saying stuff about how we should get rid of them because all they do is bring death and terror They also said something about having to obey their laws about "no guns" and stuff like that. Too be honest, Just because your pittly ass laws don't allow guns doesn't mean they cause "death and terror". I have my own intake on having guns and stuff.

I looked up on google for about how many guns there is in the world. The approximate amount (Not exact, seeing as there is no one... who counts... guns..) 8 Billion +. That is more than our world population. Now with that note...

1. If you plan on getting rid of 8 billion + guns. Good luck! (Sarcasm)
2. With all those guns, How many crimes are committed were these guns are responsible for the destruction. Yes there is a lot but thats because, Their are those stupid people - That do STUPID things! To be honest i have a good frame for my debate. And seeing as taking debate class. I think this could be a good one. So here is my question...

What is your intake on guns??
Last edited by Felepeno; Sep 24, 2012 at 05:01 PM.
WHO SAID I WAS HUMAN? I'LL KICK THEIR ASS!
I took a gun safety class when I was 10 xD

I think guns are all around ok, most crimes are commited with knives anyway.(muggings, etc)
The thing is bank robberies and terrorism isn't as common as one might think, the chance of dying due to one of these is less likely than dying in a plane crash. (Super highly unlikely)
In fact, without guns, there would be MORE big crime, some people say more little crime, but I think it would be about the same.
My intake on guns? They're there so that people who attack you get a bullet in their ***.
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Honestly though, taking away guns is stupid. There is no point to taking away guns, and if we do manage to get every last gun into one great big pile, and destroy them all, then good, the world is better off without em.
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If you're complaining about taking a 7 hour course to learn how to properly handle a gun, you don't deserve to own/hold/use one. A gun is a responsibility, not a right. It's a weapon, not a toy, not a possession, just a tool designed for one thing only: kill things.

Also, the odds of dying in a plane crash is less than dying to a gun. More gun-related deaths happen every year in America than deaths from plane crashes in the entire world. You have the numbers in the wrong order.

While there's little concrete proof that less guns result in less crime, as no proper large scale removal of guns from circulation has been implemented, there is definitely a culture of violence which results in more gun deaths in America than any other place in the world. Even countries with similar gun ownership rates have less gun-related murders and accidents than America, proportionally.

In addition, using a gun to protect yourself is proven to be highly ineffective unless you're not taken off guard, which you will be as most competent criminals will try to assault you from behind or unpredictably. There's a general rule with guns that if somebody comes at you with a knife from 25 feet away, the average person will not be able to draw their gun in time to defend themselves from the knife. And that's assuming they come at you with a knife. If you have a gun, it means it's just as easy for the criminal to get the gun as well. At 25 feet, if they come at you with a gun, you so much as twitch and they'll blow a hole through you.

Finally, if stupid people do stupid things, why would you want ready access to destructive implements available to everybody? That's just asking for trouble. "Self-defense" is a stupid reason to own a gun because most people in their lifetime will never actually be in a situation of "self-defense." Getting a gun before you have any concrete reasoning to believe you need "self-defense" is getting a solution, then looking for the problem. Again, these are weapons, tools designed to kill. Inherently, something designed to kill is better suited to assault somebody, rather than defend somebody.


Also, the majority of guns used for violent crime were either obtained legally by the perpetrator, or were legally owned but then stolen. The thought that criminals will be the only people who have guns if guns were banned is a preposterous statement, since the majority of guns that criminals own were at one point legal. Removing the legal firearms from circulation reduces access to firearms for illegal purposes.
nyan :3
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
If you're complaining about taking a 7 hour course to learn how to properly handle a gun, you don't deserve to own/hold/use one. A gun is a responsibility, not a right. It's a weapon, not a toy, not a possession, just a tool designed for one thing only: kill things.

Also, the odds of dying in a plane crash is less than dying to a gun. More gun-related deaths happen every year in America than deaths from plane crashes in the entire world. You have the numbers in the wrong order.

While there's little concrete proof that less guns result in less crime, as no proper large scale removal of guns from circulation has been implemented, there is definitely a culture of violence which results in more gun deaths in America than any other place in the world. Even countries with similar gun ownership rates have less gun-related murders and accidents than America, proportionally.

In addition, using a gun to protect yourself is proven to be highly ineffective unless you're not taken off guard, which you will be as most competent criminals will try to assault you from behind or unpredictably. There's a general rule with guns that if somebody comes at you with a knife from 25 feet away, the average person will not be able to draw their gun in time to defend themselves from the knife. And that's assuming they come at you with a knife. If you have a gun, it means it's just as easy for the criminal to get the gun as well. At 25 feet, if they come at you with a gun, you so much as twitch and they'll blow a hole through you.

Finally, if stupid people do stupid things, why would you want ready access to destructive implements available to everybody? That's just asking for trouble. "Self-defense" is a stupid reason to own a gun because most people in their lifetime will never actually be in a situation of "self-defense." Getting a gun before you have any concrete reasoning to believe you need "self-defense" is getting a solution, then looking for the problem. Again, these are weapons, tools designed to kill. Inherently, something designed to kill is better suited to assault somebody, rather than defend somebody.


Also, the majority of guns used for violent crime were either obtained legally by the perpetrator, or were legally owned but then stolen. The thought that criminals will be the only people who have guns if guns were banned is a preposterous statement, since the majority of guns that criminals own were at one point legal. Removing the legal firearms from circulation reduces access to firearms for illegal purposes.

This is an educated comment and you should all read this carefully.
Oracle, I believe you twisted my words, I said dying due to one of those crimes is less likely than dying in a plane crash, I don't know how you thought I said dying by a gun is less likely than a plane crash.
The Curious Whomba, Intruding Your Privacy.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2012.htm

List of deaths and injuries solely from Islamic terrorist attacks to date for 2012.

Number of deaths: Well over 300

Average number of deaths per year from plane crashes in America: 138

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/h...is-flying.html


Simple google search and answers galore. Nit picking, you're still more likely to die from specifically an Islamic terrorism attack than you are to die from a plane crash. Most years there aren't even plane crashes of large scale, so there might be at most 10 deaths from planes each year when that happens. And it's similar around the world. So you probably have about 100 deaths every year around the world that are plane related. You're STILL more likely to die from specifically an Islamic terrorist attack. And this isn't including other religious terrorist attacks, political terrorist attacks, or racial terrorist attacks. Or bank robberies.



Also, even though this is wiki answers, I checked the source, facts match up.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_g..._US_every_year

Over 12000 murders in 2005 from guns. Only 600 justifiable (read as self-defense) murders.
nyan :3
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Hello! I wanna commit a self-defence murder against some random crook(s) and get no penalty. Because I'm delirious and not very good @ life. I wanna do it, because it's badass.

So what do I do? Get my degree and went to US as a professional, make a living, buy a gun and then do my thing?
Guns are bad, they are designed BY people to KILL PEOPLE for the most part, when you raise the bar on what is acceptable as reasonable force in order to defend your person and your home from attack it opens a MASSIVE can of worms that you can never really close again.

But yes, guns are bad. No exceptions.
Originally Posted by FinalWish View Post
Guns are bad, they are designed BY people to KILL PEOPLE for the most part, when you raise the bar on what is acceptable as reasonable force in order to defend your person and your home from attack it opens a MASSIVE can of worms that you can never really close again.

But yes, guns are bad. No exceptions.

Guns cannot be bad. They are an inanimate object used as a tool.

If guns are bad, then so are pencils, pens, books, ice picks, and basically every tool or item that can possibly be used to hurt somebody.

Its the idiots who use guns for bad purposes that are bad, not the guns themselves.
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Guns arent bad it's like saying a knife is bad. What's bad is the person wielding such a weapon. You can use it for good like hunting and self defense but in the wrong hands bad could come from such a thing. Like u hear in movies. Is this dangerous. No but in the wrong hands it could destroy the universe.
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