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The World more Soft or Tough?
Not sure if this is supposed to be in the rapid threads section but I thought it could yield some good conversation and arguments.
I've been noticing a number of things in the news, around my town, and I've seen through out history. I want to know, are we getting soft (as in not really punishing things we should) or getting more tough (the opposite of what the other was).
I had read somewhere that back in on Dec 7th 1941, that when Japan bombers had attacked Pearl Harbor, all of America had cried for war. When 9/11 happened nobody wanted to fight. (I wanna say we had just got out of a major war but I'm not sure if that's accurate)
Now on the flip side I hear we have made a major choke hold on the middle east and have strict laws preventing them from doing many things that they used to do. And China has a law were you can only have on child and if it's a girl they kill that child. You have more then one child they kill the children and the family.
So I want to know, has the world got more soft or tough?
I've been noticing a number of things in the news, around my town, and I've seen through out history. I want to know, are we getting soft (as in not really punishing things we should) or getting more tough (the opposite of what the other was).
I had read somewhere that back in on Dec 7th 1941, that when Japan bombers had attacked Pearl Harbor, all of America had cried for war. When 9/11 happened nobody wanted to fight. (I wanna say we had just got out of a major war but I'm not sure if that's accurate)
Now on the flip side I hear we have made a major choke hold on the middle east and have strict laws preventing them from doing many things that they used to do. And China has a law were you can only have on child and if it's a girl they kill that child. You have more then one child they kill the children and the family.
So I want to know, has the world got more soft or tough?
But in all reality... I think I might be insane...
Japan declared war on the US. It makes sense to fight back against someone who declared war on you.
al-Qaeda is not a country nor did they declare war, their attack was retaliatory against the US because of the US's support of Israel, their presence in Saudi Arabia, and sanctions against Iran. It makes no sense to invade Afghanistan to kill the Taliban just because in the past they supported al-Qaeda.
In the first case US's defensive actions had been purposefully provoked, in the second case it was a desperate act from antagonized group that was used as justification.
No person in their right mind would think that attacking Afghanistan was justified.
This is not a case of softness, just logic.
If anything you can see that the US's support of Israel is... very similar to their own attacks on the middle east. You could say the US has become more warmongering. But that's not really a commentary on the entire world, just on the US.
al-Qaeda is not a country nor did they declare war, their attack was retaliatory against the US because of the US's support of Israel, their presence in Saudi Arabia, and sanctions against Iran. It makes no sense to invade Afghanistan to kill the Taliban just because in the past they supported al-Qaeda.
In the first case US's defensive actions had been purposefully provoked, in the second case it was a desperate act from antagonized group that was used as justification.
No person in their right mind would think that attacking Afghanistan was justified.
This is not a case of softness, just logic.
If anything you can see that the US's support of Israel is... very similar to their own attacks on the middle east. You could say the US has become more warmongering. But that's not really a commentary on the entire world, just on the US.
Last edited by ImmortalCow; Nov 28, 2012 at 03:08 PM.
Originally Posted by Agentmax
Not sure if this is supposed to be in the rapid threads section but I thought it could yield some good conversation and arguments.
I've been noticing a number of things in the news, around my town, and I've seen through out history. I want to know, are we getting soft (as in not really punishing things we should) or getting more tough (the opposite of what the other was).
I had read somewhere that back in on Dec 7th 1941, that when Japan bombers had attacked Pearl Harbor, all of America had cried for war. When 9/11 happened nobody wanted to fight. (I wanna say we had just got out of a major war but I'm not sure if that's accurate)
Now on the flip side I hear we have made a major choke hold on the middle east and have strict laws preventing them from doing many things that they used to do. And China has a law were you can only have on child and if it's a girl they kill that child. You have more then one child they kill the children and the family.
So I want to know, has the world got more soft or tough?
That last bit about China is false. If you have more than one child, you're heavily taxed. Girls are selectively aborted once gender is established during pregnancy in some families, not killed at birth. Same thing in India.
At 9/11, most of America was actually clamoring for a fight. The problem was, we didn't know where the enemy was, so we did the stupid thing and lashed out at the first target presented to us.
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Originally Posted by T0ribush
You would think Humans would be tired of all this war, I guess we might actually be getting tired.
Not really....
Countries like the USA, China (All the Superpowers basically) are doing fine money wise, and with all the things they hold in possession. But sooner or later, they're going to run out, and guess how they'll get it back? By invading other countries.
Lets say in a few years, maybe even 10 or 20 years, China was to run out of supplies, and were scrounging around for all the supplies they needed for whatever it was. They might just go ahead and try and invade some defenseless country and take everything, that would keep them going for a while, but then they'd run out, and have to go out and invade again.
This has got nothing to do with the topic, but I guess it is relevant in some way, the world hasn't gotten tougher really, it is merely just trying to hold the peace until the time comes for war.
Sorry if this isn't relevant.
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