Originally Posted by evorocket

I wanted to share some thoughts on the subject of Joint Textures, but mostly, want to hear what others have to say.

As an artist, I was immediately interested in the fact that Toribash allows us to make our own textures. I was happy to see that the joints could be textured too.

I started making full body sets, and soon made them full with all joint textures too. But I soon realized that "very few" would ever be able to afford the textures to wear these sets.

Selling art textures and being a marketeer (and buying some tc) allowed me to
acquire a full 128 joint texture set. But, joint textures, not unlike body textures at 128 resolution are fuzzy, and detail doesn't show clearly.
Solid colors will look splendid on 128, but frankly, who will spend between 700k-1mil for solid colored joints?
This brings me to say Joint Textures are way overpriced.

I have read a great deal in the forums about people being afraid Joint Textures would collapse the joint color market. For that to even be an issue, a much larger percentage of members would need to be able to afford joint textures.
For instance, I can see that body textures, being quite affordable, would have dropped the sale of gradients, yet, gradients still fare fine on the market.
But the idea that people would buy joint textures to mimick joint colors is ludacris. Who will pay that much when buying the actual joint color is FAR cheaper. Even qi is not a limitation because it can be bought too.

I have been left a little bit flat with my 128 Joint Texture set, being 128. Detailed graphics turn up very fuzzy, especially on the larger joints. So now I'm thinking of upgrading at least to 256, which still isn't all that clear. The high cost of these items just becomes outrageous at some point. How much would a truly full 512 (body and joints) cost?

I think joint texture prices should have been made somewhat closer in range with body textures, because, so long as joint colors are cheaper than the joint textures, members will continue to buy what is cheapest, even if the difference is negligeable.

I would love to hear what others think on the topic of joint textures.

Sincerely,

evo

Originally Posted by JSnuffMARS

I'd probably be more happy if body textures was only up to 256x256 pixels so it doesn't download so much data .

Originally Posted by evorocket

I think joint texture prices should have been made somewhat closer in range with body textures, because, so long as joint colors are cheaper than the joint textures, members will continue to buy what is cheapest, even if the difference is negligeable.

Originally Posted by GoodBox

At the moment the number of people willing to make good sets for profit is very low. Even smaller is the number of people willing to make full sets. And people willing and capable of making good full sets for profit don't even exist at the moment (This is my opinion, I have yet to see a full joint set which I would consider good for sale). If my opinion is actually correct, then, at the moment, you can't buy a good set even if you were the richest TB player in-game.

Originally Posted by evorocket

I have read a great deal in the forums about people being afraid Joint Textures would collapse the joint color market

Originally Posted by BenDover

They will be in time, 128 body textures initially cost 20-25k per joint, when they were released.
In time, I reckon 512 joint textures will drop to around 20-30k each, same way body textures did.
I think the current price for joints is fine for the moment, they are a new feature, the high price makes them collectables, available to only the elite, like Demon and pure joints used to be.

I think that would be much more reasonable.


The people exist, but only a small portion of us would actually be willing to put the effort into making full sets of an acceptable quality for an extended period of time.



The item market will not be affected, as texture colours are affected by the joints that the user is wearing.
I would be more concerned about joint textures crashing to Toribash market in general.
for the prices users charge for making textures, the smarter ones would be charging Dollars instead of TC.
It costs 100$ for 250k tc from the torishop, valuing a 1 000 000tc full texture set, at 400$
I could make a business out of that, an extra 400$ a month would be quite nice.

Originally Posted by evorocket

In my opinion, people generally look at tc vs usd more at 1usd=10k tc's these days. So, to sell a set for 1mil would bring in 100usd. And here I have to agree with Goodbox that I just haven't seen sets that are worth that much yet.

Originally Posted by evorocket

Besides, I can't speak for other artists, but I think most make sets because they love art, and do it for the passion of it, and as a pass time, because what people are willing to pay/can afford for these, will never justify the amount of hours that goes into making them.