The internet is a very powerful tool and needs to be defended and used consciously. It made us "hyper-comunicating" : we're on the edge to be able to share free culture, ideas and knowledge, instantly and on a world wide scale, regardless of the old nationalist boundaries, religions and colors. Like synapses linking areas of the brain together.
Communication is important, we've taken it to a point A LOT of our old ideas and conception of politic, economics and nationalist ideas are now obsolete.

After the Edward Snowden affair, revealing the existence of PRISM, a "tool" the US government currently uses, a tool able to spy on any mean of communication without any restrictions nor democratic control (google it if you haven'd heard of it, it's very important to know) ; we know we'll have to act and defend our rights in order to evolve as a free and conscious specy.

Without the internet we probably would never hear about the following videos I'm about to share, its content being entirely accurate or not isn't the point. It's an important event and a first on the politic scene, even more as it might be true.



Watch it until the end because he finishes on a very wise note.

We need to prepare ourselves to break with the old customs, because we can, because we have to ! if we ever want our future generation to live a descent life.
We presently know that the actual economic system is the hugest scam ever made, the crysis are man made, our lives suffer the consequences of decisions taken by men holding the ressources and power into their hands... because that's what a world irrationaly based on money does : the richer people decide, and we comply, the richer people shape, and we adapt.

I know this is some hard informations to proceed, because daily life and its issues keep us from seeing the history happening, but history happens "everyday over a few year". I can assure you our actual technology and knowledge is bringing us to a crucial point of our evolution, just be aware. Select your informations, think about them, doubt about the mass media, learn and be respectful.

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Edit : just to make things clear, I'm not supporting ALL of what the honourable old man says, but I'm in a very Sci-Fi mood lately. And I thought it was a cool vidz with cool points to start a discussion about the present state of humanity if we replace ourselves humbly in the universe ;o

-> PRISM
USA does this like this all the time, of course it's bad but not much we can do about it.

-> ALIENZ
Proof plz.

-> Economics
Unavoidable. Even if you move to pure socialism there will still be people more powerful than others.

-> Approaching the singularity
Agree, so much crazy shit being invented now days.I basically called 'gg' when I saw quantum locking.

-> Spiritual beings
Many religions use the silver rule or inverse golden rule. But I think that's more about being a nice person than anything religious. As usual I don't see why "be a nice person" is a spiritual experience. Isn't it obvious that you should be nice to other people?

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You make a thread about evolution and human rights and then proceed talk about one specific case of wiretapping. Then you jump to the evils of capitalism and that there will be some kind of revolution which you call evolution which doesn't make much sense as evolution is a biological term.



Reminds me of that Kradel guy.
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Also man-made economic crashes lol.
Yay for conspiracy nuts.
The crashes are not planned by a rich elite or something.

Lel, you were arguing the exact opposite on the CISPA thread, something along the line of "governments don't lie" and their laws and bills about the internet are only to protect the citizens against cyber-threats... you wanted a proof ;o
Not much we can do about it if we ain't doing anything that's for sure.


I have none, I'm pretty sceptical about half he said (aliens being presently held prisonner and working with US gov 'n shit), the important point is how plausible it sounds for a human brain (not likely, but plausible), because if the human race had any contact with ET life with a superior technology, it would more likely be held secret for economical reasons (& religious reasons)
Plus if you want proof, we are a living proof ;p We went to space and, in the absolute, we aren't particullary smart : 80% of the people watch dumbshit on TV to rest their brain from an exhausting shitty job. If only a few of us can make us go to space, I guess some more evolved specie somewhere in the overwhelmingly huge universe might have stopped over our planet. I've never seen any, but that surely doesn't sound impossible.
+ I don't think that's something we can provide proofs for : witnesses are called nutjob, pics and vidz makes people sceptical because we can photoshop anything, or give some other rational explanations. If someone ever meet an actual alien, shakes his hand in front of a camera, people would call it special FX and stay in denial xD
So yeah, the only proof we could ever provide is ourselves, coupled with logic and probability applied on the scale of the universe.


We already had this (pretty long) discussion once. Any economic system will have influence on our social behaviour, our relation with "possession" and our political ideas in general.
The actual one is just enlarging the gap (between rich & poor) and becomes unbearable for the largest part of the population, ecologically dangerous, and starts to look like a totalitarian drift. Because people holding the money see the average joe is now able to educate himself, they're scared.
As we said in our long discussion about economics, it's no longer a science aiming to study human's exchange of good(needs) and currency, it's a tool which aims to exploit the weakness of the actual "closed system" for the profit of a few.


Yep, it SHOULD be a natural and logical rule. But not in a world wide system preaching self-enrichment at the expense of others. Our whole system is based on individualism over general well-being, therefore people growing in this environment will think according to it. I'm pretty sure most of us never considered the golden rule, they probably heard it when they were kidz, and forgot about it...

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I think you haven't quite grasped the entirety of the subject.
The wiretapping case is plainly legal rights, the "evil capitalism" is about plain human rights, I don't know where you see something about a revolution... But evolution is not only biological, it's as much about biology as it is about customs, ideas, and perception of our world. We physically evolve, our brains physically evolve depending on our environment, therefore its "content" evolve with it.
When we talk about evolution you probably picture the famous pic of the Walk of evolution, but it's infinitely deeper and more complex than just physical changes. Our society, conceptions and customs evolve with us, and we're actually being held back by some absurd un-natural system.


Economy is man made, the system is man made, money flux are man made, values on ressources are decided by men, disturbances in the economy (crashes) leading to changes in concerned countries are man planned. Crashes happen regulary, it's the point of the system, central banks create money and lend it to countries with an interest, countries will never be able to pay their loan back > crashes. (I'm oversimplifying but that's it)

You're not getting it, it's not about conspiracy, it's about context and environment in which we evolve. It's not about some secret group aiming to rule the world, that's non-sense, and even if some crazy people were trying, they're nothing against the mass that is the rest of the specy.
It's about greed, lust for power and losing touch with what we are. It's about what the actual system does to us, because anyone accessing the "high sphere" of decision-makers would lose touch with reality, because his daily busy-life concerns are not the same than the rest of the "lesser people". And if you think "decision-makers" are good people working for the general well-being and never keep secrets, you're very naяve.

Someone in power works for his own income just like your parents do when they go to work.
That's what nature tought us and that's how it will be. If you want to create an artificial system that bends the rules of nature by providing everyone with the same chances/power/ressources and whatnot you are more than welcome to do that.
Communism failed very hard at that so I guess before proposing that we need to “evolve” you'll need a good proposition, not some empty phrases.

Also, I see you made up your own definition of evolution. It has nothing to do with philosophy so I suggest you try and find an alternative word.
Evolution is a change of traits and inherited characteristics of a population of organisms. I googled for a while and didn't find any other definition. Only other thing it comes up with is social darwinism and this: Prior to the second half of the nineteenth century, the term was used primarily, if not exclusively, in an embryological sense to designate the development of the individual embryo.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evolution/
I suggest revolution. xd

Capitalism is pretty much the only system that works nice and proper so… yeah… suggest an alternative and prove that it's efficient.

Evolution doesn't have to indefinitely mean the advancement of biological-based traits, it's perfectly reasonable to use the term 'evolution,' while referring to how the world's people conduct themselves.

Hell, if you're going to use Google to define a word for you, at least give it some thought.

wow, using the searchbar as source… that sure is more credible than stanfort, wikipedia and other educational websites.

edit: I correct myself and call myself an idiot. xd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_evolution

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Someone with power works to keep his place, not to let go the power he already have, like a cult of himself.
My father stopped working when me and my sisters were kids because he was working too much, under pressure, and didn't see us enough, so he stopped working to raise us properly. My mother worked (and still does) to provide his family food, pay the house and give us a decent life.
Working for your own income has nothing to do with nature, it's what our actual civilization preaches.


An artificial system bending the rules of nature is what we actually have. We're over-consuming in a way our planet won't be able to provide enough, we're mindlessly "looting" the natural ressources in the name of... some people's income of fictionnal currency.
Plus liberal-capitalism provide the richest more wealth and comfort, and on the other hands provides a sad unhealthy life of slavery for the people of "third world countries", or just make them starve to death.


I've never said communism was the solution, most people seem to think if we're not capitalist, we can either be socialist or communist, or an utopian anarchist... that's a pretty narrow perception of the politic (decisions influencing the specy).
Plus, Communism have never been applied for real, as well as socialism. All we've seen were "communist look alike" systems applied on an already world wide capitalist system. It had the name "Communism", like actual governments are called "democracies" but aren't democratic, like the actual chinese regime calling himself communist... it's just a big joke.


You don't understand what Evolution implies. The "change of traits and inherited characteristics of a population of organisms" is a consequence; organisms change because they adapt themselves to their changing environment, or changing needs. We didn't grow thumbs in one night and then just went like "nice lets grab stuff", we didn't stand up on 2 legs in one night to run marathons : we adapted over thousand of years because the environment we were living in forced it.
Evolution is simply the phenomenon of Life that needs to adapt itself in a "symbiotic" fashion, to keep on living through the course of time. The physical changes on organisms is the "point of the iceberg". The rest is evolution of the customs, techniques, habits, way of living etc... Evolution is as biologic as it is "metaphysical".

"Revolution" implies an event in a precise point in time, evolution is on the long run.

I'll considere the human specie relatively smart when we'll be able to consciously influence our evolution through choices and reason instead of letting ourselves grow like a cancer for our Home and ourselves, like an autistic specie.


What... you need to take a step back and look at capitalism through a new p.o.v.
This is just a statement of your own through your eyes of organism adapting itself in the present political environment, and lacking hindsight (not trying to be insulting, it's just how the actual system work, putting "blinkers" on people so they don't see solutions)
Capitalism is basically slavery, the richest take advantage of the poor, like "first world countries" take advantage of poor countries, making their children work in awful conditions for a ridiculous salary just to make the production of useless piece of junks cheaper. The comfort of 20% of the population is at the cost of the health and freedom of the other 80%.
As a specimen of the social specie that is humanity, capable of compassion and empathy, knowing the way I live wastes the lives of millions of people somewhere else on earth makes me sad.


Sadly I don't hold all the answers, but still I could suggest dozens of alternative solutions better than capitalism... the hard part is to make "transitory" periods/systems because we can't change the world all at once, just in a finger snap (THAT would be a world scale revolution). Actually a lot of people already proposed alternative society models, people just never heard of them, or lobbies keep them from developping because it would "disturb" their absurd profit. Like oil lobbies stops free & clean energy from developping to keep selling petrol.

We're a social specy, we live in society because we'd die alone in the wilderness ; someone expressing an emotion on his face makes your brain produce chemicals to make you feel the same emotion... that's how we work. We're not meant to let people starve and suffer in order to buy a big flat TV to watch brainwashing crap in HD.
We need to create to survive or we'll just wipe ourselves.

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Edit : a little exemple of the relation between evolution of our mind and our environment, that I like to use in those kind of discussions :

A tribe of south-america called the Zo'e; they never had the need to make a currency or put mercantile values on their surrounding. Sharing is natural to them, to the point they don't have any word or expression in their language to say "Thank you", because giving to the rest of the group is just logic, like WE find logic the fact to work shitty jobs to earn paper to buy food and useless crap.

Do you understand the point ? There's no "one truth" or "one way of living", there's only adaptation and extrapolation of our past choices and crucial events through time.