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Objects of Holiness/Deities
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not looking for any sort of philosophical christian vs. atheist debate blah blah.

I'm quite interested in how and why things have become holy in the past, as well as how deities become an object of worship. Tribal religions are especially interesting to me, as they seem to be more outlandish than mainstream doctrines. Could this be solely based on location/surroundings or are there other drives behind this? Why do you think certain beings/articles are sacred?

sorry if you find this trivial, I personally think it's thought provoking

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I'm just going to go ahead and reinforce that this is NOT a Religion vs. Atheism thread, and I will be removing any posts that try to go down that route.
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Yes, I would say it's definitely based on location.

Take for example the foundation stone, I wonder why the birthplace of the Earth just happens to sit inside Israel, or why it's going to be the place that God's throne sits upon when judgement day comes. Wouldn't you expect that to be in Eden?

I would say the location was chosen because it was convenient.


Shinto takes this tradition to the extreme, where gods live in everything.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Yes, I would say it's definitely based on location.

Take for example the foundation stone, I wonder why the birthplace of the Earth just happens to sit inside Israel, or why it's going to be the place that God's throne sits upon when judgement day comes. Wouldn't you expect that to be in Eden?

I would say the location was chosen because it was convenient.

That location was chosen because it is believed to be the top of the Temple Mount, the site of the original First Temple.
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I think a lot of stuff was made up by attention seekers.
Bits of Christ's cross, bones of saints, blood of christ, objects touched by saints, ...

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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
That location was chosen because it is believed to be the top of the Temple Mount, the site of the original First Temple.

Yeah, a /very/ convenient choice.

Though perhaps the choosing of the temple mount as the site of solomon's temple was itself merely for convenience, after all, there is no evidence that it was actually there.

I think the foundation stone is quite unique because it has been chosen as the focus point of so many events. You don't usually see that, something is usually holy for one reason only, and usually you would think that adding more attributes would detract from the importance.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Yeah, a /very/ convenient choice.

Though perhaps the choosing of the temple mount as the site of solomon's temple was itself merely for convenience, after all, there is no evidence that it was actually there.

There is no strong evidence that Solomon's Temple ever existed in the first place. I'm simply informing you that Temple Mount is where it is believed to have been.

That's not entirely a matter of convenience, either. Solomon's Temple, according to the Torah, was built in ancient Jerusalem, which pretty clearly coincides with the modern Jerusalem.

This goes back to why Jews migrated to Israel, even before the Holocaust. It's laughable to say that Israel was a convenient choice of living situation. No, it's because it was viewed as the promised land, home of sites such as the foundation stone, the old city, etc.
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It's laughable to say that Israel was a convenient choice of living situation. No, it's because it was viewed as the promised land, home of sites such as the foundation stone, the old city, etc.

And wasn't the reason for Israel being the promised land merely for convenience too?

If you were a God trying to give your people a safe land to live in, wouldn't you make it in a safe place far from enemies? Not next door to them.
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I think the events that happened in their location also contributed to the holiness. For example, the eruption of a volcano would really get a lot of tribal people to think, "The gods are angry with us."
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
And wasn't the reason for Israel being the promised land merely for convenience too?

If you were a God trying to give your people a safe land to live in, wouldn't you make it in a safe place far from enemies? Not next door to them.

I'm simply clarifying that the reasons for the supposed holiness of these sites, particularly in modernity, are far more complex and meaningful than "it's close by."
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
And wasn't the reason for Israel being the promised land merely for convenience too?

If you were a God trying to give your people a safe land to live in, wouldn't you make it in a safe place far from enemies? Not next door to them.

I think God put them throug the suffering to see if they would stull put their trust in him.
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