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Net Neutrality
Imagine the US Government slowing down all internet on websites to 28kbs, and you have to pay lots of money monthly just to 'speed' up your website?

This is what the FCC is doing, and its sickening to say in the least. This will slow down the progression of your country and put more stacks of cash into the people who go on with this.


http://www.kinemagazine.com/today-th...-its-been-fun/
Right now, huge billion-dollar communications companies, a.k.a ISPs (Internet Service Providers), a.k.a monopolies, a.k.a cartels, like Comcast and AT&T are on the verge of a major coup against us, the American users of the internet. Why? Because ISPs, I’m sorry… cartels are sick and tired of giving all websites equal data speed on their networks. Why should Netflix get to stream it’s movie and TV content over their networks for free, the same as you pay for streaming your videos on your YouTube account? Come to think of it, why should you be able to stream videos on your YouTube account for free? And, actually, come to think of it, why should your business website’s data be able to reach out to anyone in the world for free?

That’s right: the ISP cartels want everyone to pay to play. No, it’s not enough that we (the American consumers) pay more for our internet than most other countries in the world, and it’s slower than most, but now the cartels think that the sites we access with our expensive and slow internet service should pay them fees too… for the right to get their data to us as fast as the big guys can.

In short, the ISP cartels want to create “internet express lanes“, of sorts, so larger companies that use much more bandwidth because they have more traffic, can pay more to maintain or increase the speed of their data’s delivery over the ISP cartels’ networks.

And the FCC’s ruling on whether or not ISP cartels can do this happens today. And an early preview of FCC chairman’s Tom Wheeler’s propsed rules for “net-neutrality” would have allowed the ISP cartels to do it.

Why does net-neutrality, or equal and open internet matter?

So what is the problem with making businesses pay to play? Take our site, KiNE Magazine, for example: we have no $$$. The only way we reach tens of thousands of readers is through the unfettered glory of the free and open internet for all businesses. Now, let’s say that the FCC allows the ISP cartels to charge for faster service: what happens to KiNE? Well, big regional media companies like The Denver Post, who owns The Cannabist, could pay a premium to have their content readily available to readers, while KiNE’s content loads more slowly and is harder to find.

And why would The Denver Post be willing to pay a premium for internet data delivery speed when it all works fine already? The ISP cartels will “bog down” the all-data lanes. “ISPs can’t do that!”, you proclaim. Or really?

Comcast just did to Netflix this year. The ISP cartel purposefully slowed Netflix’s data speeds, a.k.a “bogged down” their internet lane, in order to extort payment premiums from them. And it the ISP cartels can do it to Netflix, they can do it to the Denver Post, and if they can do it to the Denver Post, they can do it to KiNE Magazine for sure, and we won’t be able to pay to play, so… we go kaput.

Basically, if the ISP cartels get what they want today, it will kill all the new start-ups, because our internet won’t be the same as the big guys can afford. They will push us out of the market by making our sites’ data speeds annoyingly slow compared to the Big Guys.

What could the FCC do to stop the ISP from creating “internet express lanes”?

IF the FCC is truly vested in protecting the American people, preserving the open internet as we know it, and allowing the little start-ups the same access to readers and consumers as the Big Guys, then they could move to protect us today by making the internet and the ISP cartels Title II “common carriers”, or a “utility”… again.

Again?

Yes, again. In 2002, the FCC stopped regulating the Internet Service Providers as a Title II “common carrier” when they began to call the ISP cartels “information service providers” and not “telecommunications carriers.” Not realizing the extent of their error, the FCC went on trying to regulate the ISP cartels and enforce it’s own rules about open and equal access. But whenever the ISP cartels got busted, like in 2007 when Comcast throttled access to BitTorrent and the FCC tried to stop Comcast, the ISP cartel took the FCC to court… and won. Why? By naming the ISP cartels “information service providers” and not “telecommunications carriers,” the FCC had lost all control of them.

So it really could be as simple as that. Instead of allowing the ISP cartels to create premium “internet express lanes”, the FCC could grow some balls again and re-name the ISP cartels as “telecommunications carriers” and take their power back.

By doing so, they would ensure the open and equal internet for all content providers, large and small.



Im canadian and I care about this. You guys should give a damn before people with power ruin your internet convenience, and ruin the USA as a whole.


CALL THE FCC
https://act.freepress.net/call/internet_wheeler_nn/

CALL CONGRESS
https://act.freepress.net/call/internet_congress_nn/

AND FOR NON AMERICANS WHO GIVE A DAMN
https://openmedia.org/SlowLane/
Last edited by TomWanks; May 16, 2014 at 12:41 AM.
Very interesting, but I have a couple of questions:
When could all of this happen? Are we talking years, months... weeks?!
And will this potential decision inevitably affect other countries as well?
The final decision is in September 2014 if im not wrong. And yes this will effect other countries in one way or another, but not directly from the law themselves but rather the effect.
This seems kind of weird to me, 'internet express lanes' already exist, don't they? If I buy a gigabit pipe to the exchange, am I not buying an express lane?

Take our site, KiNE Magazine, for example: we have no $$$. The only way we reach tens of thousands of readers is through the unfettered glory of the free and open internet for all businesses. Now, let’s say that the FCC allows the ISP cartels to charge for faster service: what happens to KiNE? Well, big regional media companies like The Denver Post, who owns The Cannabist, could pay a premium to have their content readily available to readers, while KiNE’s content loads more slowly and is harder to find.

"KiNE" surely pay for their internet, they do not get it for free, no matter what they say. I call bullshit.
Furthermore, how does 'internet express lanes' stop google from indexing their website? How does this affect caching and indexing?

To be honest, it sounds like these people have no idea how the internet works... I mean, what kind of person thinks that they aren't paying for the internet?..
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
If priced rise for Internet. No matter how the other companies try to keep prices high there will always be one or two companies you decide to screw over the others and sells for a lower price. New companies can be set up, maybe by the people who rose the price intitiely and these companies will pose as masiahs of the free Internet world while stealing all if the customers. Monopolies work by controlling prices to control customers. I Japan McDonalds made a large loss of profit for the first year or two because they were selling burgers for a price so cheap that profit was impossible, McDonald's used its profit from other countries to keep these shops open. This meant nobody when to any other fast good restaurants because McDonald's was the cheapest. Then when all the other restaurants had shut down and there was no more competition McDonald's brought prices up, this is how monopolies work, they eliminate all opposition, if monopolies work together they are not monopolies because there is more than one company. Greed will bring down this scheme. The point I am making is that a monopoly only works well if there are no other companies in that field, even if the few companies in the industry decide to work together they can't prevent new companies from starting and providing cheap internet bandwidth can they? (this is a genuine question: I have no idea about this stuff). There would probably be an increase of price but competition will keep it reasonable and the agreements will fail. I have never seen a human right: "right to free and fast Internet bandwidth" it is just something which happened and will probably happen again if it ever stops happening.

I hope thus makes some sort of sense. Thank you for reading.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
If priced rise for Internet. No matter how the other companies try to keep prices high there will always be one or two companies you decide to screw over the others and sells for a lower price. New companies can be set up, maybe by the people who rose the price intitiely and these companies will pose as masiahs of the free Internet world while stealing all if the customers. Monopolies work by controlling prices to control customers. I Japan McDonalds made a large loss of profit for the first year or two because they were selling burgers for a price so cheap that profit was impossible, McDonald's used its profit from other countries to keep these shops open. This meant nobody when to any other fast good restaurants because McDonald's was the cheapest. Then when all the other restaurants had shut down and there was no more competition McDonald's brought prices up, this is how monopolies work, they eliminate all opposition, if monopolies work together they are not monopolies because there is more than one company. Greed will bring down this scheme. The point I am making is that a monopoly only works well if there are no other companies in that field, even if the few companies in the industry decide to work together they can't prevent new companies from starting and providing cheap internet bandwidth can they? (this is a genuine question: I have no idea about this stuff). There would probably be an increase of price but competition will keep it reasonable and the agreements will fail. I have never seen a human right: "right to free and fast Internet bandwidth" it is just something which happened and will probably happen again if it ever stops happening.

I hope thus makes some sort of sense. Thank you for reading.

if your story is true, what stops other restaurants from opening again now when mc price is higher?
Because customers are now 'loyal' to McDonald's now and people will not think to eat anywhere else. Also because the places for restaurants are all taken by other shops which (until they close down) will take the spaces and not sell. The point I am making is that monopolies function better when there is only one of them.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
This seems kind of weird to me, 'internet express lanes' already exist, don't they? If I buy a gigabit pipe to the exchange, am I not buying an express lane?

It's not the same. This would, in a nutshell, give ISPs the green light to provide fast lanes to companies they have deals with, which should be read as "having a shitty base service and holding website speeds for ransom". To paraphrase some video that I watched the other day, while you're totally free to pave your driveway with whatever hi-tech pavement you want, that doesn't stop your ISP from plopping a gate on your driveway and choosing who they open the gates to and when. They're literally being given permission to perform legal extortion. If you want to look at it in a very extreme and apocalyptic way, think that ISPs would have all the permissions necessary to take a news site that's posting something they dislike and throttle them into becoming almost unusable to all of their customers (being completely unusable is actually protected by the FCC's new proposed rules, at least we've got that going for us). A more realistic scenario would involve Comcast striking a deal with, say, Netflix, and in response throttling Amazon Prime to drive its own customers towards Netflix.
Last edited by sid; May 17, 2014 at 07:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by sid View Post
It's not the same. This would, in a nutshell, give ISPs the green light to provide fast lanes to companies they have deals with, which should be read as "having a shitty base service and holding website speeds for ransom". To paraphrase some video that I watched the other day, while you're totally free to pave your driveway with whatever hi-tech pavement you want, that doesn't stop your ISP from plopping a gate on your driveway and choosing who they open the gates to and when. They're literally being given permission to perform legal extortion. If you want to look at it in a very extreme and apocalyptic way, think that ISPs would have all the permissions necessary to take a news site that's posting something they dislike and throttle them into becoming almost unusable to all of their customers (being completely unusable is actually protected by the FCC's new proposed rules, at least we've got that going for us). A more realistic scenario would involve Comcast striking a deal with, say, Netflix, and in response throttling Amazon Prime to drive its own customers towards Netflix.

I still don't see how this is any different to the current situation. It's just a different mechanism that does the same thing.

Your example about Comcast isn't about ransom at all though.

In the US there are always examples of ISPs blocking ports or throtling connections, honestly it's just more of the same shit. Yes it's bad and you wouldn't want more, but it's already happening...
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Websites might just have to downsize and have well information to load on each page so the loading times are smaller. Would that work? Or would it not make enough difference?
Good morning sweet princess