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Steroids. Sports: Football, basketball, bodybuilding, etc
Steroids.
Should steroids stop being looked down upon? Should it just be what it is? Fir different sports? Steroids have always been looked down upon and usually illegal in sports. They were always a sign of cheating. I have come to think that a lot of people do them. Not quite as much in some sports, but do you think that steroids should become legal in any sort of way? Bodybuilding steroids; They make you big maybe? Doesn't mean no work was put in to it. Even with steroids those bodybuilders are working harder than pretty much every one else. Could it be from all the pressure they are in?
Are steroids just an excuse for why someone is so great? I don't know if I am going to think quite the same about them anymore. Not when their competition is using them.
Now, what about people already using them and becoming pressured to admit it? You know, in some sports, it's impossible to be the best without steroids. Does the bad overrule the good? I feel bad for some people. They are so dedicated and will do whatever it takes to be the best. Do they deserve it or do they not for taking steroids even if there opponent is? It may be "right", but those who are "righf" could just not be as dedicated. What do you all think?
Just a simple itching thought
Should steroids stop being looked down upon? Should it just be what it is? Fir different sports? Steroids have always been looked down upon and usually illegal in sports. They were always a sign of cheating. I have come to think that a lot of people do them. Not quite as much in some sports, but do you think that steroids should become legal in any sort of way? Bodybuilding steroids; They make you big maybe? Doesn't mean no work was put in to it. Even with steroids those bodybuilders are working harder than pretty much every one else. Could it be from all the pressure they are in?
Are steroids just an excuse for why someone is so great? I don't know if I am going to think quite the same about them anymore. Not when their competition is using them.
Now, what about people already using them and becoming pressured to admit it? You know, in some sports, it's impossible to be the best without steroids. Does the bad overrule the good? I feel bad for some people. They are so dedicated and will do whatever it takes to be the best. Do they deserve it or do they not for taking steroids even if there opponent is? It may be "right", but those who are "righf" could just not be as dedicated. What do you all think?
Just a simple itching thought
Chickster: I literally don't know why I did it.
IMO all drug and gene therapy usage should be allowed. I find it absurd that it's nearly 2015 and we are still fighting against technology.
Banning things has lead to absurdities such as banning yams and blood transfusions. It's gone too far pointlessly.
Banning things has lead to absurdities such as banning yams and blood transfusions. It's gone too far pointlessly.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
If the stigma on steroids ever disappears, I think there should be separate competitions for natural athletes and (currently illegal) performance-improving substances. I think someone who trained hard to achieve something the natural way deserves more credit than someone who took shortcuts (and gambled on their health by doing so).
Steroids are not cheap, and someone who has a lot of money would gain an even greater advantage over someone who does not than now. There already is a disadvantage (though talent can attract sponsors), but with expensive therapies, this gap will grow wider.
I also disagree with you on another point, Gorman: technology is used in sports all the time. Computer analysis of statistics, visual analysis of posture, optimal diet and training schedule, better tools and equipment: that's also a part of science. The difference is that these methods of becoming better don't harm your health in se. Steroids and other hormones are harmful. Gene therapy (from before birth?) is eugenics and a topic I don't wish to address in this thread.
Steroids are not cheap, and someone who has a lot of money would gain an even greater advantage over someone who does not than now. There already is a disadvantage (though talent can attract sponsors), but with expensive therapies, this gap will grow wider.
I also disagree with you on another point, Gorman: technology is used in sports all the time. Computer analysis of statistics, visual analysis of posture, optimal diet and training schedule, better tools and equipment: that's also a part of science. The difference is that these methods of becoming better don't harm your health in se. Steroids and other hormones are harmful. Gene therapy (from before birth?) is eugenics and a topic I don't wish to address in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Arglax
If the stigma on steroids ever disappears, I think there should be separate competitions for natural athletes and (currently illegal) performance-improving substances. I think someone who trained hard to achieve something the natural way deserves more credit than someone who took shortcuts (and gambled on their health by doing so).
Training, dieting, scientific studies, are not not natural.
There is nothing any less natural about about taking drugs.
Originally Posted by Arglax
Steroids are not cheap, and someone who has a lot of money would gain an even greater advantage over someone who does not than now. There already is a disadvantage (though talent can attract sponsors), but with expensive therapies, this gap will grow wider.
That's not a reason to disallow them. The amount of money required to compete on the world stage is already huge.
Originally Posted by Arglax
I also disagree with you on another point, Gorman: technology is used in sports all the time. Computer analysis of statistics, visual analysis of posture, optimal diet and training schedule, better tools and equipment: that's also a part of science.
To an extent, yes, but there is also a lot of banning, even you yourself for some reason consider drugs to be harmful.
Originally Posted by Arglax
The difference is that these methods of becoming better don't harm your health in se. Steroids and other hormones are harmful.
No, they aren't. They can be managed, as they usually are.
Should we ban bananas because they can cause irregular heart palpitations?!
Originally Posted by Arglax
Gene therapy (from before birth?) is eugenics and a topic I don't wish to address in this thread.
Wot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_doping
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/ge...lympics-2014-2
http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/...na-gene-doping
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
