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One of those debates about gun laws.
I am going to try to keep this simple:
If the last paragraph was a bit too long please tell me and I will shorten it.
What should the laws concerning the purchasing, ownership and use of firearms be?
Please try to add your own opinions and ideas on the matter rather than just tearing apart other people's posts. If you can't offer any actual progression to the discussion then I would appreciate it if you could not just use this thread to argue trivialities. I am not asking you to ignore other people's posts, but it sure would be nice if you could try to think about the ideas people are describing rather than simply the description of the ideas. If someone is being vague don't tell them that there argument is invalid because of gross use of sweeping generalisations. You can always just ask them what they mean.
If the last paragraph was a bit too long please tell me and I will shorten it.
~Proto
Good morning sweet princess
I live in the US. Specifically, Illinois. We have the strictest gun laws in the country, excluding Washington DC itself, which has a "no guns at all unless you are military/Secret Service etc." policy. The way it is now, you need to get a gun ownership card to legally buy and own a gun, and you must present it to a police officer if you are talking to them and you have a firearm on you. In some states, the officer is allowed to take your firearm and make sure it is not loaded, or if it is allowed to be loaded, a round is not chambered (Florida is an example of this policy)
Personally, I think this is a very good idea, but could use a small tweak. Most other states have some variation of "You don't need a gun ownership card if you are buying a longgun (shotgun or rifle), but for handguns, you are required to have a card. Most states' reasoning for this is that it is very hard to conceal a longgun, and if it is concealed, it will be very difficult to get to quickly and therefore hard to quickly pull it out and shoot someone.
Personally, I think this is a very good idea, but could use a small tweak. Most other states have some variation of "You don't need a gun ownership card if you are buying a longgun (shotgun or rifle), but for handguns, you are required to have a card. Most states' reasoning for this is that it is very hard to conceal a longgun, and if it is concealed, it will be very difficult to get to quickly and therefore hard to quickly pull it out and shoot someone.
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
You walk into a gun shop, tell them you want to apply for one, they give you a form and you fill it out and give it back to them with some amount of money (I think it's $15, but I can't remember for sure), the gun shop sends the form to the state police department, who does a background check on you and makes sure you're not a felon or crazy. This process takes anywhere from a few weeks to a couple months (I was processed in about a month and a half) and then if you are approved, they mail you your card.
I believe they used to take a picture of you to send in as well, but sometime in the last few years, they started to just use the picture on your drivers' license.
That's the process for Illinois. I imagine it's the same with most other states. The only thing I can imagine that would be different would be the price of the card.
I believe they used to take a picture of you to send in as well, but sometime in the last few years, they started to just use the picture on your drivers' license.
That's the process for Illinois. I imagine it's the same with most other states. The only thing I can imagine that would be different would be the price of the card.
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
This is a societal and cultural problem, all you have to do is educate people and improve your support systems. High rates of gun ownership and ease of access to guns is not inherently a bad thing.
So let's talk about the US. They have problems teaching even basic maths and literature, can they really handle teaching people to be responsible? You can't recall millions of guns, you can't really police them without an absurd amount of money. USA is fucked, I don't think there's a magic bullet.
Is there anything to help? Sure, mental health registry, I know the liberals will scream discrimination, but handing guns to chronically depressed people isn't working out too well.
Other than that, not much. There's already strict guidelines on gun storage, but people just don't do it. There's laws against shooting people, but people do it. This is clearly just a case of cultural problems, not legal problems.
I'd like to see gun restrictions loosened, but there's no way USA can deal with that in their current state.
So let's talk about the US. They have problems teaching even basic maths and literature, can they really handle teaching people to be responsible? You can't recall millions of guns, you can't really police them without an absurd amount of money. USA is fucked, I don't think there's a magic bullet.
Is there anything to help? Sure, mental health registry, I know the liberals will scream discrimination, but handing guns to chronically depressed people isn't working out too well.
Other than that, not much. There's already strict guidelines on gun storage, but people just don't do it. There's laws against shooting people, but people do it. This is clearly just a case of cultural problems, not legal problems.
I'd like to see gun restrictions loosened, but there's no way USA can deal with that in their current state.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
