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Cigarettes v. Cannabis
Hi, I just want your opinions on this subject.
While it's not very touchy, it's definitely a debate, so I'd love your opinions on both of these.

Also, before you all get annoyed at people say weed is better for you than cigarettes, it isn't. Cannabis burns four times stronger, which pretty much quadruples the effects of cigarettes.
Please no misinformation, if you are going to post, make sure you know what you're talking about, and maybe even did a bit of research.

EDIT: We're talking about straight marijuana. Not a blunt or weed mixed with anything, you're smoking nothing but regular weed.
Last edited by iPortal; Mar 2, 2016 at 05:47 PM.
Im not too sure what the debate is here

Cannabis is bad for you, Cigarettes are worse.

Cigarettes cause Cancer, Cannabis can as well (to a lower extent). I don't know what else there is to discuss. They're both addictive and not good. Cigarettes cause cancer and contain nicotine and tar.

Just don't do either of them.

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Originally Posted by WeooWeoo View Post
Im not too sure what the debate is here

Cannabis is bad for you, Cigarettes are worse.

Cigarettes cause Cancer, Cannabis can as well (to a lower extent). I don't know what else there is to discuss. They're both addictive and not good. Cigarettes cause cancer and contain nicotine and tar.

Just don't do either of them.

Sorry, but did you read what I said?
Originally Posted by iPortal View Post
Hi, I just want your opinions on this subject.
While it's not very touchy, it's definitely a debate, so I'd love your opinions on both of these.

Also, before you all get annoyed at people say weed is better for you than cigarettes, it isn't. Cannabis burns four times stronger, which pretty much quadruples the effects of cigarettes.
Please no misinformation, if you are going to post, make sure you know what you're talking about, and maybe even did a bit of research.

You get four times the tar, four times the cancer, and it burns the cilia at the back of your throat.
Cannabis is far worse for you than cigarettes, but cigarettes are far more accessible.
Originally Posted by iPortal View Post
Sorry, but did you read what I said?

You get four times the tar, four times the cancer, and it burns the cilia at the back of your throat.
Cannabis is far worse for you than cigarettes, but cigarettes are far more accessible.

Sure, a single joint (which is what the study you didn't cite is based on) is 4x worse than a single cigarette.

The issue is that you're comparing cannabis to cigarettes 1:1 and not looking at the patterns of use. Most cannabis smokers do not smoke over 4 joints a day (source). Comparatively, it's extremely common for tobacco users to smoke a pack (20 cigarettes) a day or more. That's a 5:1 ratio for an average tobacco user compared to an above average cannabis user. Looking at the numbers, while cannabis may be 4x worse (in terms of tar, ignoring other carcinogens in tobacco/cannabis), being a cannabis user is better than being a tobacco user.
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Originally Posted by Eleeleth View Post
Sure, a single joint (which is what the study you didn't cite is based on) is 4x worse than a single cigarette.

The issue is that you're comparing cannabis to cigarettes 1:1 and not looking at the patterns of use. Most cannabis smokers do not smoke over 4 joints a day (source). Comparatively, it's extremely common for tobacco users to smoke a pack (20 cigarettes) a day or more. That's a 5:1 ratio for an average tobacco user compared to an above average cannabis user. Looking at the numbers, while cannabis may be 4x worse (in terms of tar, ignoring other carcinogens in tobacco/cannabis), being a cannabis user is better than being a tobacco user.

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American Studies
Cannabis makes you a lot weaker and more relaxed. It also tires you out easily but you don't cough and get the chest problems like you do with cigarettes. I know this from past experiences.
Originally Posted by iPortal View Post
Here.
Source 1
American Studies

Originally Posted by iBravies View Post
Cannabis makes you a lot weaker and more relaxed. It also tires you out easily but you don't cough and get the chest problems like you do with cigarettes. I know this from past experiences.

Cmon, dude.
Originally Posted by iPortal View Post
Hi, I just want your opinions on this subject.
While it's not very touchy, it's definitely a debate, so I'd love your opinions on both of these.

Also, before you all get annoyed at people say weed is better for you than cigarettes, it isn't. Cannabis burns four times stronger, which pretty much quadruples the effects of cigarettes.
Please no misinformation, if you are going to post, make sure you know what you're talking about, and maybe even did a bit of research.

EDIT: We're talking about straight marijuana. Not a blunt or weed mixed with anything, you're smoking nothing but regular weed.

Originally Posted by iPortal View Post
Sorry, but did you read what I said?

You get four times the tar, four times the cancer, and it burns the cilia at the back of your throat.
Cannabis is far worse for you than cigarettes, but cigarettes are far more accessible.

I think a lot of the problem here is that iPortal is also using false information (and not being as accepting to other opinions [no offence intended]).

You seem to forget that you are talking about plain weed, nothing else mixed in. There may be 4 times more tar in the smoke, but there is only 33 cancer causing chemicals in marijuana smoke, compared to the 43 in cigarette smoke. Cigs even have around 400 additional toxins in them (carbon monoxide, cyanide, and arsenic to name a few). These may not cause cancer, but are still poisonous for humans. Furthermore, cigs have nicotine, which is extremely addictive. Most people do not become dependent on weed, but many cigarette users are addicted.

Furthermore, BOTH cigs and marijuana burn the cilia at the back of the throat, so using that as a reference is a futile argument.

I really don't see much of an argument here, personally. I think that cigarettes are far worse in the long run compared to weed.
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Have you tried smoking an entire cigarette yourself? I tried years ago, my skin became elastic sorta, I had dry mouth, I. Was light headed, had a huge headache and I felt like throwing up. First time, then never again. Now when I smoked my first joint, I got so high my body felt like it wasn't there then the walls started to move like it was water. On top of that I was only thirsty, none of this ridiculous sickness that one cigarette gives you if you aren't addicted to it. And the addiction for cigarettes is so real compared to the dependency of weed.
Originally Posted by SkyWhale View Post
I think a lot of the problem here is that iPortal is also using false information (and not being as accepting to other opinions [no offence intended]).

You seem to forget that you are talking about plain weed, nothing else mixed in. There may be 4 times more tar in the smoke, but there is only 33 cancer causing chemicals in marijuana smoke, compared to the 43 in cigarette smoke. Cigs even have around 400 additional toxins in them (carbon monoxide, cyanide, and arsenic to name a few). These may not cause cancer, but are still poisonous for humans. Furthermore, cigs have nicotine, which is extremely addictive. Most people do not become dependent on weed, but many cigarette users are addicted.

Furthermore, BOTH cigs and marijuana burn the cilia at the back of the throat, so using that as a reference is a futile argument.

I really don't see much of an argument here, personally. I think that cigarettes are far worse in the long run compared to weed.

It there were 33 types of man-eating carnivore in one forest and 43 in another, which would you choose? Trick question, the number of types is irrelevant. You would choose the forest with the lowest density of predators or with the least dangerous types.

I have no idea about what the comparative concentrations of these chemicals is in each option, or what the risk factors of those individual chemicals are, but I do know that the number of types of something does not indicate the density of that thing.

I'de say that there is a fair chance that the number of types of chemicals in cigarettes is greater because they have been being manufactured commercially for so long, so more chemicals may have been added to minimise the production cost, to improve the sensation of smoking or to maximising addictiveness. Cannabis on the other hand has not been streamlined for mass production and maximum profit, so just contains whatever is inside the natural plant.

I'm surprised that you say that cannabis does not produce carbon monoxide, since, in case you didn't realise, this is the product of incomplete combustion of carbon containing substances. It is what is produced instead of carbon dioxide when there isn't enough oxygen to react with the thing being burnt (they are identical molecules except that monoxide contains exactly half as much oxygen per molecule as dioxide). I would assume that incomplete combustion of carbon would be common for anything you smoke. This makes me slightly suspicious of some of your other claims TBH, but this is the only one I actually struggle to believe.
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